thejollysinker Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On Saturday’s trip I noticed the battery symbol light was red which would appear to indicate ‘battery over discharge’. Hadn’t had any issues with power delivery and the green indicator on the battery was showing well. I pulled the inline fuse on the + and both lights went out, plugged it back in and normality was restored. Not long after it was flickering an orangey colour and later went red again. What does battery over discharge actually mean as there doesn’t seem to be any issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, thejollysinker said: On Saturday’s trip I noticed the battery symbol light was red which would appear to indicate ‘battery over discharge’. Hadn’t had any issues with power delivery and the green indicator on the battery was showing well. I pulled the inline fuse on the + and both lights went out, plugged it back in and normality was restored. Not long after it was flickering an orangey colour and later went red again. What does battery over discharge actually mean as there doesn’t seem to be any issues? I think it means you need a new boat and full replacement fishing tackle!! thejollysinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 https://www.engineersedge.com/battery/battery_over_charging.htm In essence it means that the battery has been discharged too much/too low and may not now be capable of holding a full charge so well. So that red light has done you a favour as it's telling you that it has to keep charging up the battery more regularly than it otherwise should do, which indicates that the battery doesn't hold a charge as well as it should. Time to replace the battery I reckon (but sadly not the boat and tackle as @Saintly Fish would have you believe!). Edited to add: there's a chance that the wiring between the charge controller and the battery has some corrosion somewhere, causing unexpected resistance, so before you go to the expense of replacing the battery, check the wiring & joints/connectors and clean them up if needed. thejollysinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, Andy135 said: https://www.engineersedge.com/battery/battery_over_charging.htm In essence it means that the battery has been discharged too much/too low and may not now be capable of holding a full charge so well. So that red light has done you a favour as it's telling you that it has to keep charging up the battery more regularly than it otherwise should do, which indicates that the battery doesn't hold a charge as well as it should. Time to replace the battery I reckon (but sadly not the boat and tackle as @Saintly Fish would have you believe!). Edited to add: there's a chance that the wiring between the charge controller and the battery has some corrosion somewhere, causing unexpected resistance, so before you go to the expense of replacing the battery, check the wiring & joints/connectors and clean them up if needed. Have you posted the question on YBM or something,? Or did you message @GPSguru#meanoldbastard🤣? thejollysinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Edited to add: there's a chance that the wiring between the charge controller and the battery has some corrosion somewhere, causing unexpected resistance, so before you go to the expense of replacing the battery, check the wiring & joints/connectors and clean them up if needed. You know how these things snowball. First it's a wire, then a battery and before you know it the whole boat has to be dumped and replaced because it makes more financial sense. Isn't that what you did with Jersey Girl?? Get rid rather than sort the list !!! thejollysinker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, Saintly Fish said: Isn't that what you did with Jersey Girl?? Get rid rather than sort the list !!! Ooh that hurts! You know full well I took amazing care of her. #missingmytub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Saintly Fish said: before you know it the whole boat has to be dumped and replaced because it makes more financial sense. So how's your water pump replacement coming along then? Or will that snowball into a newer, bigger boat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejollysinker Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy135 said: https://www.engineersedge.com/battery/battery_over_charging.htm In essence it means that the battery has been discharged too much/too low and may not now be capable of holding a full charge so well. So that red light has done you a favour as it's telling you that it has to keep charging up the battery more regularly than it otherwise should do, which indicates that the battery doesn't hold a charge as well as it should. Time to replace the battery I reckon (but sadly not the boat and tackle as @Saintly Fish would have you believe!). Edited to add: there's a chance that the wiring between the charge controller and the battery has some corrosion somewhere, causing unexpected resistance, so before you go to the expense of replacing the battery, check the wiring & joints/connectors and clean them up if needed. funnily enough I was just reading that link... and no there ain't a new boat in the offing unless santa's feeling very generous this year 🤣 I'll do a double check on the wiring as it seemed odd that pulling the fuse and re-connecting cured it for a short time. It would probabbly do my battery some good if it had a small drain overnight as the solar panel is quite big and does a wonderful job keeping it topped up all the time... I wonder? Anyway, thanks for the helpful reply. If it is the battery I have another knocking around from the caravan and I could use that 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejollysinker Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, JonC said: Have you posted the question on YBM or something,? Or did you message @GPSguru#meanoldbastard🤣? no I didn't and no, I didn't 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, thejollysinker said: Anyway, thanks for the helpful reply Think nothing of it!! 👍🏻 thejollysinker and Andy135 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, Andy135 said: So how's your water pump replacement coming along then? Or will that snowball into a newer, bigger boat? 👅it's gunna get done under warranty, so there 🖕🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Think nothing of it!! 👍🏻 #gloryhunter Saintly Fish and thejollysinker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: 👅it's gunna get done under warranty, so there 🖕🏻 Is it the raw water pump that was refurbished? This year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Anyway, back to the red light. I personally would open the case up and disconnect the LED. That will get rid of the problem. Andy135, Geoff and thejollysinker 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, JonC said: Anyway, back to the red light. I personally would open the case up and disconnect the LED. That will get rid of the problem. ⬆️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, JonC said: Is it the raw water pump that was refurbished? This year? Yes the very same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 35 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Yes the very same! That’s frustrating, even though they are honouring the warranty it’s still a pain. When my pump went tits up (around the same time as yours) the shaft was pitted, the bearings and seals could be replaced but the shaft wasn’t available. I wonder if they reused the same shaft on yor won ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, JonC said: That’s frustrating, even though they are honouring the warranty it’s still a pain. When my pump went tits up (around the same time as yours) the shaft was pitted, the bearings and seals could be replaced but the shaft wasn’t available. I wonder if they reused the same shaft on yor won ? This will be the 3rd time in a year that I've removed it and sent it tu them. Like yes say, it's a max payne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: This will be the 3rd time in a year that I've removed it and sent it tu them. Like yes say, it's a max payne So what’s the be plan? Are you just going to send it back and repeat the process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, JonC said: So what’s the be plan? Are you just going to send it back and repeat the process? That's about the size of it. They will get fed up eventually and do it proper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: That's about the size of it. They will get fed up eventually and do it proper Yor just like that guy on his donkey who was charging at those windmills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 hours ago, JonC said: Or did you message @GPSguru#meanoldbastard🤣? 🖕 .......... swivel on that, yer bast'id 😇🤣 Andy135 and thejollysinker 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) Looks like a low cost PWM regulator, I usually upgrade to a reputable brand MPPT https://www.solaronline.com.au/solar-regulators.html . If the battery has been drawn down to low on occasion they can sometimes be recovered with a recovery cycle with a decent battery charger. A bluetooth 12v battery monitor is very handy to have on boat batteries, they are reasonably cheap and simply fit between the +- terminals. An app then allows you to check your battery health from a phone. Dropping the voltage bellow 50% can greatly shorten a lead batteries life. Edited December 14, 2022 by JDP thejollysinker and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejollysinker Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 10 hours ago, JDP said: Looks like a low cost PWM regulator, I usually upgrade to a reputable brand MPPT https://www.solaronline.com.au/solar-regulators.html . If the battery has been drawn down to low on occasion they can sometimes be recovered with a recovery cycle with a decent battery charger. A bluetooth 12v battery monitor is very handy to have on boat batteries, they are reasonably cheap and simply fit between the +- terminals. An app then allows you to check your battery health from a phone. Dropping the voltage bellow 50% can greatly shorten a lead batteries life. it's what came with the kit I ordered. Are you saying it's not really up to the job and I 'should' replace it or is that just a recommendation if one has the spare dosh? I might just do that, whip it off and bring it home for a good charge with my unit at home. The bluetooth monitor sounds like a good idea, thank you 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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