willyhookit Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 my boat as been layed up since we came back from fowey last september ive about 20 litres of E10 fuel so i thought id buy a jerry can full of E5 super unleaded and rig up a temp fuel supply inline filter to a primer bulb to the engine fuel pipe drained the vst and low pressure fuel filter primed the low pressure side up and tried to start the engine it tried to start but it was like on two cylinder.s thought there might of been a small amount of old fuel even though i used a stabilliser bit of a head scratcher next step is to take the plugs out and squirt a bit of brake cleaner down the plug hole refit the plugs and spin it over high pressure fuel pump might of had some old fuel in it ? anyone had the same Issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) I had a Suzuki 140, which regularly need plugs replacing, so could simply need plugs. Every 100hrs. E10 is hygroscopic which attracts water, so water could also be an issue https://www.ipswichcitymechanical.com.au/blog/e10-fuel-may-not-good-vehicle https://www.mpmoil.co.uk/blog/what-you-should-know-about-e10-petrol#:~:text='E10' contains alcohol and is,for a more extended period. Ive owned 4 Suzuki outboards but never used e10 as its not recommended for outboards by manufacturers over here for the above link reasons. With any outboard I own I always fit a pre filter with a clear viewing bowl which I check almost every trip. These filters have a tap on the bottom to allow you to drain any water. If you do get water in the fuel tank or even fungus in diesel tanks you can often clean them up by using Castrol Fuel Doctor. Its a good idea to use this for both petrol and diesel engines. Do some google searching into fuel doctor and Im sure you will feel confident in it not just being another of the many rip-off fuel additives which are on the market. There are also numerous video's showing its effectiveness, especially in countries where heap can amplify issues with contaminated fuels. Something else you need to keep on top of with Suzuki engines is the anodes. Even if you have only done very few hours over 12 months, make sure you check the anodes on the powerhead cooling system etc. On my 140 these powerhead anodes had been replaced on a service the previous owners had done which was only 37hrs of engine run time, however those 37hrs were from almost 3 years and nothing was left of any of these anodes. The cooling chambers were blocked solid with salt, where scraping and soaking in salt-away eventually got water passing back through the engine again. Edited June 4, 2023 by JDP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 Hi J D P i do have a inline Racor Water separator / filter fitted as the fuel line comes through the witches hat into the splash well ive a replaceable filter once i get the engine running on the remote tank ill link up a electric transfer pump and drain the inboard tank until empty then refill with E5 super unleaded i use a tin of ( sea foam ) after every fill up no doubt condensation and the use of that bloody E10 left in the tank for 8 months wont help matters just Ordered two sets of N G K B K R 6 E plugs one set to replace whats in and ill have a spare set should i need them once i get the 140 running sweet ill have a look at the DF6 aux engine i built a high pressure flushing system using a garden pond pump that just screws into the flushing port the pump sits in a tub 5 inches off the bottom the tub is filled and ( salt off) is added this recirculates for over an hour the first time i used it i was amassing how much muck and bits of shell came out that the flush muffs never flushed out thanks for the heads up with the anodes ill check them along with the poppet valve Tight lines Alain JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, willyhookit said: Hi J D P i do have a inline Racor Water separator / filter fitted as the fuel line comes through the witches hat into the splash well ive a replaceable filter once i get the engine running on the remote tank ill link up a electric transfer pump and drain the inboard tank until empty then refill with E5 super unleaded i use a tin of ( sea foam ) after every fill up no doubt condensation and the use of that bloody E10 left in the tank for 8 months wont help matters just Ordered two sets of N G K B K R 6 E plugs one set to replace whats in and ill have a spare set should i need them once i get the 140 running sweet ill have a look at the DF6 aux engine i built a high pressure flushing system using a garden pond pump that just screws into the flushing port the pump sits in a tub 5 inches off the bottom the tub is filled and ( salt off) is added this recirculates for over an hour the first time i used it i was amassing how much muck and bits of shell came out that the flush muffs never flushed out thanks for the heads up with the anodes ill check them along with the poppet valve Tight lines Alain Keep us posted how the anodes on the powerhead look. Im lucky in the fact I skipper a boat for one of the best outboard mechanics in our area, he used to have a Yamaha dealership and his brother has the biggest Suzuki dealership on the south coast. It makes a huge difference when you can rely on decent mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 Hi J D P its a 200mile plus round trip to my nearest suzuki dealer if i was to take it there id have to leave my boat there for at least a couple of days and then he lifts your leg higher than york minster with his labour charges plus V A T ive a good selection of tools mostly ( snap-on ) with been in the motor trade when i was younger doubt its that hard to strip it down the high pressure fuel chamber and replace the pump if i have to not sure if you can have the fuel injectors cleaned ? if not i might replace them see how it goes bloody fuel injection give me a pair of webber DCOE carbs Anyday of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 hour ago, willyhookit said: Hi J D P its a 200mile plus round trip to my nearest suzuki dealer if i was to take it there id have to leave my boat there for at least a couple of days and then he lifts your leg higher than york minster with his labour charges plus V A T ive a good selection of tools mostly ( snap-on ) with been in the motor trade when i was younger doubt its that hard to strip it down the high pressure fuel chamber and replace the pump if i have to not sure if you can have the fuel injectors cleaned ? if not i might replace them see how it goes bloody fuel injection give me a pair of webber DCOE carbs Anyday of the week Thought it was just here with the big miles to get to dealerships etc. Im about 5hrs south of Sydney which is where we often need to head for most things!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 well ive had another go at getting my engine started fitted 4 new spark plugs set at 0.7 mm primed the temp fuel line up tuned the key and brum then as quickly as it started it cut out back to square one if you squeeze the primer bulb until really hard it starts then cuts out so im thinking its the high pressure fuel pump thats goosed just been onto a suzuki dealer ( Aquatec ) and spoke to a guy who after explaining what my engine is doing said well if you bring it here id Recomend fitting a new high pressure fuel pump high pressure fuel regulator high pressure fuel filter fuel pump bush and a fuel pump gasket he. going to get me some prices tomorrow but it wont be cheap my advice would be to anyone taking the boat down to cornwall if you have a inboard fuel tank buy a quick change fuel connector and run twin remote tanks with E10 as thats all you can get down there what you dont use you can throw away do not leave it even if you have added a fuel stabiliser like i did ive taken some pics of the fuel i drained out of the water Separator / filter doubt im going to get much change out of £5/600 in parts the labour ill do my self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 6/4/2023 at 1:48 PM, willyhookit said: next step is to take the plugs out and squirt a bit of brake cleaner down the plug hole refit the plugs and spin it over Nooooooooo Don't do that EVER, the brake cleaner will was the oil off the bores and cause premature wear. If you have to spray it anywhere, then down the air intake so it can be atomised and ignited.... You likely have a bit of crud in the injectors from standing daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 well ive ordred the parts today 1 x high pressure fuel pump 1 x high pressure regulator 1 x high pressure fuel filter 1 x fuel pump bush 1 x vst gasket 1 x inlet manifold gasket thats a cool £558 .69 out of my pocket money suzook 12 the amount of brake cleaner i squirted into the Cylinder.s wont be enough to wash the bores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, willyhookit said: well ive ordred the parts today 1 x high pressure fuel pump 1 x high pressure regulator 1 x high pressure fuel filter 1 x fuel pump bush 1 x vst gasket 1 x inlet manifold gasket thats a cool £558 .69 out of my pocket money suzook 12 the amount of brake cleaner i squirted into the Cylinder.s wont be enough to wash the bores Your engine mate.... JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted August 25, 2023 Author Share Posted August 25, 2023 well at long last ive got my engine up and running ive been waiting weeks for a Thermostat to arrive and it arrived this morning £56 plus £6.95 postage while ive been waiting i changed the impeller fitted a new racor water separator / filter flushed the inboard tank using 60 lts of fuel that was rigged up to recirculate through the old water separator / filter then back into the tank put a few circles in the clear fuel pipe just so any bits of crap the filter missed would collect in the bottom of the circle ( old tick on British M / bikes ) well happy with everything now engine is running as sweet as a nut and pisses like a horse ive now got 4 psi water pressure @ 1000 rpm Tight lines Alain suzook12, Saintly Fish and Geoff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, willyhookit said: well at long last ive got my engine up and running ive been waiting weeks for a Thermostat to arrive and it arrived this morning £56 plus £6.95 postage while ive been waiting i changed the impeller fitted a new racor water separator / filter flushed the inboard tank using 60 lts of fuel that was rigged up to recirculate through the old water separator / filter then back into the tank put a few circles in the clear fuel pipe just so any bits of crap the filter missed would collect in the bottom of the circle ( old tick on British M / bikes ) well happy with everything now engine is running as sweet as a nut and pisses like a horse ive now got 4 psi water pressure @ 1000 rpm Tight lines Alain Well done Alain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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