Captain Sensible Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 A what boat thread (hopefully) Current ship: Strikeliner 16 Would like to have: 6.1m max LOA because of daylight robbery mooring, option to sleep overnight, khazi, warmer winter (diesel heater) pilot house, speed 16-20+ knots, economyishical, £10~15k in doubloons Smooth brain thoughts: Hardy Fisher 20’, Orkney Orkadian 20’, Hardy Pilot 20’ East Coast fishing (Essex), so annoying short green sea chop Anyone here been on a Orkadian 20’? Same hull as Day Angler 19’ with living room up front and small deck area behind. Told they don’t plane much (semi D) and bow rise restricts forward vision Trim tabs, prop woes, weight and power all get mentioned getting Orkadien and Fishers lump over the hump It’s a lot to ask from 20’ Strikeliner getting canopy tent fitted next month so no rush but I’m bigger boat curious, the romance of an overnight in a river and up early off to the mark 🏴☠️ daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, JonC said: I’ve no knowledge of the vessels you mentioned but good luck with it. Where abouts are you planning on keeping her? Existing boat is in Tit’marsh so would stay there. They do cheaper swinging moorings but still up to 6.1m sort of got to used to the pontoon walk on lifestyle 💅🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 @Captain Sensible how about an older Merry fisher?? https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/boat/2006-jeanneau-merry-fisher-625-hb-9157199/ Or the smaller 585 marlin. https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/boat/2007-jeanneau-585-marlin-9173718/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, JonC said: The merry fisher will have the nanni 85 in it, a bit under powered- 12 knots cruise Which one? Both I've shown are outboard powered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, JonC said: Yeah, swinging maureens sound like a pain to me. What areas do you tend to fish? Do you drop south around the Walton/Clacton area or head north? I planned on going up to Roughs this year but never got around to it- do you know if it’s still worth going there? Another reason to get something bit bigger/more freeboard is Roughs Towers, or Towers as the other like to call it. I tend to get out from Walton backwaters and out to Stone Banks. Another 20-30 mins gets you to the towers and yes it’s worth it. Stonking smoothies caught that way and decent bass. I do ok on stone banks and even backwaters. Dropping south to Clacton /Holland on sea can be good for cod/unicorns, again smaller boat can get caught out. I can do 14-15knots, cannot get the 18-22 other strikeliner owners brag about and revs only 4500. So wondering if right set up could get another boat that can get over hump, or just take a bit more of a lumpy sea. Could see me plugging a head sea in any boat to be fair, just is one a bit safer than another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, JonC said: I run out of Bradwell, usually head east to the middle deep or black deep and occasionally south east to the knock.My boat is only 21’ but I’ve never had conditions where I’ve felt worried, often get big ones crashing over the top but we don’t get the big swells in the Thames area. I do look at 16’ boats when I’m out sometimes and think that they must be getting smashed all over the place. I’ll definitely try the towers area this year thanks. Black Deep and King’s Channel get a mention on our group for some better fish, even the odd mackerel. When it’s windy there’s a bit coming out of Walton channel where it meets the tide and I’ve turned around at that point, motion of the boat felt quite violent and could just imagine a wave breaking over side. Owners say they can take a lot these Strikeliner, think I’d prefer higher sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: @Captain Sensible how about an older Merry fisher?? https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/boat/2006-jeanneau-merry-fisher-625-hb-9157199/ Or the smaller 585 marlin. https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/boat/2007-jeanneau-585-marlin-9173718/ Unless the Marina was going to do mates rates the 625 is 1.25m over that maximum. It’s a lovely boat though, curtains and everything I found that 585 you’ve linked and thought it could be a contender. The sleeping area prob not as nice, sort of a place to doss, but then you get a lighter boat that should plane to a decent speed and deal with a choppy sea? Or a heavy old f$€ker like the Hardy ? What mpg is a 115hp Yam lump going to give. That’s Hardy forum territory with no guarantee. Read about people getting 25 knots out of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 A floating sofa? Orkadian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Day angler would fit the bill. mybfirst boat was an Orkney Pilothouse 20. Would cruise all day ar 20knts, fish 3 no issue and enough room to sleep on. Orkadian similar hull, semi D so you’ll get 20knts if you push it a bit nice boats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 The links to those merry fishers looked underpowered and I would stay well away from any etec engine, there's good reason the company went belly up. Even a 605 with a 115 Yam doesn't give great performance but if you don't mind causing around slowly then its acceptable. Once you get a bit of marine growth, full fuel tank and all the bits and pieces most of us leave in boats you will see a drop from these figures given here in this video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 hours ago, Captain Sensible said: A floating sofa? Orkadian That's a rather heavy boat for a 90hp engine. Unless pootling about you'll be drinking full and thrashing the engine. Looks in nice nick though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 hours ago, Captain Sensible said: a lighter boat that should plane to a decent speed and deal with a choppy sea? merry fishers don't like a chop, at planning speed you'll be slamming all over the show. You would need to slow down to Semi D speeds. But then even my 4 tonne tub slams in chop. I boat in the Solent and there is plenty of it here!! JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 12 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: merry fishers don't like a chop, at planning speed you'll be slamming all over the show. Very true, a medium Vee in a light (ish) boat is not a good combo in a chop. Quicksilvers are similar. Edited January 29 by GPSguru Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 14 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: merry fishers don't like a chop, at planning speed you'll be slamming all over the show. You would need to slow down to Semi D speeds. But then even my 4 tonne tub slams in chop. I boat in the Solent and there is plenty of it here!! Yes never seen one in my area, more a harbour this side of the pond. They don't even state the hull degree on their website, something all manufacturers do here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2024 at 9:22 AM, Saintly Fish said: That's a rather heavy boat for a 90hp engine. Unless pootling about you'll be drinking full and thrashing the engine. Looks in nice nick though. You got me checking our boat weights now or to be a proper toff, displacements. How many hands is your horse please. So my findings are here ✏️ Orkadian 20 900kg Hardy Fisher 1000kg Jeanneau 585 880kg Beneteau Antares 580 1150kg Quicksilver 580 1150kg The Jeanneau was in French so I might not have understood. What size lump should drive 900~1150kg of boat? The Orkadian and Hardy folk seems to go for 75~90 horses 🐎 daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Captain Sensible said: You got me checking our boat weights now or to be a proper toff, displacements. How many hands is your horse please. So my findings are here ✏️ Orkadian 20 900kg Hardy Fisher 1000kg Jeanneau 585 880kg Beneteau Antares 580 1150kg Quicksilver 580 1150kg The Jeanneau was in French so I might not have understood. What size lump should drive 900~1150kg of boat? The Orkadian and Hardy folk seems to go for 75~90 horses 🐎 TBH, it doesn't matter what "We" think. What matters is the manufacturers recommendation. And if I were you I'd be getting the vessel with the largest manufacturer recommended engine. This doesn't always equate to the highest fuel burn, because more HP means less revs so less fuel and less engine stress. JDP and daio web 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Captain Sensible said: You got me checking our boat weights now or to be a proper toff, displacements. How many hands is your horse please. So my findings are here ✏️ Orkadian 20 900kg Hardy Fisher 1000kg Jeanneau 585 880kg Beneteau Antares 580 1150kg Quicksilver 580 1150kg The Jeanneau was in French so I might not have understood. What size lump should drive 900~1150kg of boat? The Orkadian and Hardy folk seems to go for 75~90 horses 🐎 I'm guessing these will all be dry weight with no luggage or hooomans onboard? Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/30/2024 at 8:06 PM, Saintly Fish said: TBH, it doesn't matter what "We" think. What matters is the manufacturers recommendation. And if I were you I'd be getting the vessel with the largest manufacturer recommended engine. This doesn't always equate to the highest fuel burn, because more HP means less revs so less fuel and less engine stress. Bigger is always better... Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Most boats here are at least 2/1 ratio. 500kg boat =100hp+, 1000kg boat 200hp+. My 15ft 550kg boat does not feel overpowered at all with a Yam f115, its a safer boat as I have the power to control it quickly in heavy seas. Underpowered boats can be dangerous if they are slow to respond when you need them to move quickly. All outboards should be propped to rev out close to the manufacturers recommended max rpm. In regards to fuel burn, the boat I have now Ive also owned in the past with various other outboard configurations. Ive owned the same boat with a Yam f70, Merc 90, Honda 90 and now Yam f115, the latest 115 is by far the most economical to run. With a Yam f70 I returned at best 2.5km per litre, the f115 is giving 3.7km per litre. Each propped to reach the recommend max rpm. Underpowered boats will be expensive to run if do long distances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 That ratio would put my 270kg strikeliner at 50hp? Orkney recommend up to 25hp, it’s got a 30hp yam which will do me for what it does. Maybe the Yank and Southern Crims need a bigger motor as a flex but more practically maybe because of bigger seas than we get in UK? I’m leaning towards the floating caravan that is the hardy pilot 20, will have a word with someone who used to own one who is based at same marina. Just about to get a new tent canopy made for the strikeliner. Another season for the Strikey or find a bigger boat? Do I don’t I 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Not all boats obviously, many have have more power. More power better economy and longer lasting engines. Edited February 1 by JDP daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, Captain Sensible said: That ratio would put my 270kg strikeliner at 50hp? Orkney recommend up to 25hp, it’s got a 30hp yam which will do me for what it does. Maybe the Yank and Southern Crims need a bigger motor as a flex but more practically maybe because of bigger seas than we get in UK? I’m leaning towards the floating caravan that is the hardy pilot 20, will have a word with someone who used to own one who is based at same marina. Just about to get a new tent canopy made for the strikeliner. Another season for the Strikey or find a bigger boat? Do I don’t I 🙄 I lifted this from another forum, it's from a Hardy owner at the time. Hi, I have a Hardy Fisher 20, I'm not sure there is a huge difference between the fisher and the pilot apart from the pilot having more windows and generally being more kitted out for staying on rather than deck space. I think the hull is the same... It looks like it anyway. Mine has a Mercury 75 four stroke and will plane very quickly when you open the engine up. Top speed is 24 knots and she will cruise very well at 18 knots. I would either keep it off the plane at 8-10 knots or get up on to the plane quickly though. You will use more fuel half way on the plane and the ride won't feel right. I'm not sure why you would want to do this? I usually want to get somewhere quickly to fish and will then move slower to get the right spot on the mark. As others have said have a look at the Hardy forum. This would suggest to me that the Pilot being made up for more overnighting than fishing would be slightly more heavy than the fisher too, so performance will be worse? It's seems it's either balls out or slow as fuck. If that suits you then great, if not maybe look elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sensible Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 On 2/1/2024 at 6:51 AM, Saintly Fish said: This would suggest to me that the Pilot being made up for more overnighting than fishing would be slightly more heavy than the fisher too, so performance will be worse? It's seems it's either balls out or slow as fuck. If that suits you then great, if not maybe look elsewhere The first time I read this I was like, yeah need a different boat. Now I’m thinking hell yeah, I DO like balls out AND slow as fuck. Could this be the dream boat. Sounds like my Marina loves a bit of tape measure play so need to decide on how deep the pockets are. In the meantime I’ve been reading about Marlin 585’s. Prob just need to buy an Aqua bell with massive diesels and get it done Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 13 hours ago, Captain Sensible said: Prob just need to buy an Aqua bell with massive diesels and get it done IIRC twin Ford Mermaids. Cracking engines, old tech and simple, a bit smoky, easy to fix. However, finding a decent Aquabell will be a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 35 minutes ago, GPSguru said: IIRC twin Ford Mermaids. Cracking engines, old tech and simple, a bit smoky, easy to fix. However, finding a decent Aquabell will be a challenge. Especially for £15k, and 6m long 🤣 GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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