jonnyswamp Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Popped down to the boat this morning to connect up the new trim tab switch after drilling the hole out on the weekend That's now working as it should, complete with shiny led's to tell me where my tabs are Started the engine and the starter motor stuck on, had to kill main engine battery switch to stop it Tested the ignition switch, seems fine, gives 12v down wire to starter motor when turned to crank and goes dead when key released Run a wire direct from battery to starter solenoid and starter still stays on until main engine switch is turned off The engine kill switch will kill the engine, but with the starter still spinning, it just fires back into life I've got the SM home now and a mate is coming up to have a look a bit later Also it's not the original SM as the label states it was made in 2008 (boat is 04) it's also a "cargo" make, not a well known brand ? The specs say it is rated at 2.7kw, is this adequate for a 4.2l diesel, as always seems a bit laboured when engine is cold So my question is really, if I need to replace the SM, do I replace like for like with what broken down or try and find what was fitted from new Have rang and messaged a firm that specialises in these engines, but no reply as yet PS, what's going on with the italics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 No idea on the starter replacement, but as for the italics, edit your post, then select the italicised text and then click the I for Italic icon in the text format bar at the top of the post - should revert it back to normal. jonnyswamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said: Also it's not the original SM as the label states it was made in 2008 (boat is 04) it's also a "cargo" make, not a well known brand ? If it’s been on there that long then it couldn’t have all been bad? Or is it something robbed off another engine and put in yours after 2008? Can you not get it refurbed? jonnyswamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: If it’s been on there that long then it couldn’t have all been bad? Or is it something robbed off another engine and put in yours after 2008? Can you not get it refurbed? A new identical one is £133 delivered, just wondered whether this was a direct replacement for the original, or, as you say just a cheap replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said: A new identical one is £133 delivered, just wondered whether this was a direct replacement for the original, or, as you say just a cheap replacement Have you spoken to Stuart Monk to see what he sells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, JonC said: Have you spoken to Stuart Monk to see what he sells? Scrap that he only does vw starters jonnyswamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Sounds more like a solenoid fault, if the solenoid is holdong over the motor will keep turning over GPSguru, mick and jonnyswamp 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 hours ago, suzook12 said: Sounds more like a solenoid fault, if the solenoid is holdong over the motor will keep turning over Yes it is, tested it last night Ordered a new starter motor from cargo Just had a reply back from the engine company, they want £722 plus delivery, plus insurance, plus vat and would be a special.order direct from manufacturer The last cargo one was fitted in 2008/2009 I don't mind swapping it again in 12/13 yrs Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Can it be matched to a Bosch one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, JonC said: Can it be matched to a Bosch one? Don't know, have found other manus such as Mahler, Delco Remy and one other who's name I've forgotten But I'll be happy if I get 10 yrs plus from it I'll be happy if I'm around in 10 yrs plus TBH JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 New starter motor was ordered Tuesday 4.40pm and turned up yesterday at 10.15am, excellent service Had my first request to open an account with HC Cargo refused, after ordering and paying for the SM on Monday evening Spoke to one of their sales people and as I work in the plumbing/heating industry, I didn't meet their remit to qualify for an account (need to be a mechanic/fitter etc) So I rang back an hour later and spoke to the same sales person who agreed that my newly formed marine service company would qualify and set me up on their system and processed my order 🤠 So, fitted the new SM this morning and all going like a dream Took a quick zip around the bay, then back to the mooring ready for the next outing and back to work by 1 ish Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, jonnyswamp said: New starter motor was ordered Tuesday 4.40pm and turned up yesterday at 10.15am, excellent service Had my first request to open an account with HC Cargo refused, after ordering and paying for the SM on Monday evening Spoke to one of their sales people and as I work in the plumbing/heating industry, I didn't meet their remit to qualify for an account (need to be a mechanic/fitter etc) So I rang back an hour later and spoke to the same sales person who agreed that my newly formed marine service company would qualify and set me up on their system and processed my order 🤠 So, fitted the new SM this morning and all going like a dream Took a quick zip around the bay, then back to the mooring ready for the next outing and back to work by 1 ish Good work there cowboy! 👍🏻 yeeeehaa. jonnyswamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said: New starter motor was ordered Tuesday 4.40pm and turned up yesterday at 10.15am, excellent service Had my first request to open an account with HC Cargo refused, after ordering and paying for the SM on Monday evening Spoke to one of their sales people and as I work in the plumbing/heating industry, I didn't meet their remit to qualify for an account (need to be a mechanic/fitter etc) So I rang back an hour later and spoke to the same sales person who agreed that my newly formed marine service company would qualify and set me up on their system and processed my order 🤠 So, fitted the new SM this morning and all going like a dream Took a quick zip around the bay, then back to the mooring ready for the next outing and back to work by 1 ish Very good work. What’s access to the starter like ? Mine is awful, needs 3 elbows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, JonC said: Very good work. What’s access to the starter like ? Mine is awful, needs 3 elbows Pretty good, I can see the 2 mounting bolts and the cable connections, just can't get a full spanner on them On my last boat (an 1988 bayliner 2359) I took out the petrol V8 and fitted a diesel V8, which was a fair bit bigger and everything was done via touch That was soul destroying to work on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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