jonnyswamp Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonC said: I hate motoring forward to break the anchor out, I know the rope goes either side of prop but it feels wrong. I've never tried it, I used to pull anchor by hand on my first boat (younger, stronger, stupider) And my last 2 have both had a windlass Probably 80% of the small boats around me use the Alderney method and have no issues, we sometimes get silly undercurrents which would make me nervous about using it Have only heard of 1 sinking when he got it wrong (about 4 yrs ago, was on wsf) that was enough for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Saintly Fish said: How about twisted copper cable? Not sure if that’ll hold enough though. I think it's more the case of the top of the anchor shaft catching under the roller bracket (don't know the name) and the force of the windlass snapping the ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 The rope should NEVER go anywhere near the prop. That would only happen if you don’t motor off at enough angle to the rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said: I think it's more the case of the top of the anchor shaft catching under the roller bracket (don't know the name) and the force of the windlass snapping the ties Well that’s you fucked then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Well that’s you fucked then Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said: I've never tried it, I used to pull anchor by hand on my first boat (younger, stronger, stupider) And my last 2 have both had a windlass Probably 80% of the small boats around me use the Alderney method and have no issues, we sometimes get silly undercurrents which would make me nervous about using it Have only heard of 1 sinking when he got it wrong (about 4 yrs ago, was on wsf) that was enough for me When you’re recovering in shallow water do you break out first or just motor over the top and wind up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, JonC said: When you’re recovering in shallow water do you break out first or just motor over the top and wind up? In and out of forward and wind at the same time, trying to get warp/chain vertical so once it trips or breaks free, it's not dragging the bottom just coming straight up Obviously it will depend on tide strength as to how vertical it will actually be Don't know if that's the correct way, but it works for me JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Yeah that’s pretty much my technique, it’s just that last little bit that puts a lot of strain on the windlass I don’t like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: How do you find it getting the bouy off when the anchor reaches the pulpit. I believe you have a bottle nose at the front line I do? We either take the anchor over the side, remove the buoy and let the chain go down which means you have about 40' chain to bring in on the windlass or if its not rough Dean goes upfront (we have high rails and plenty of hand holds) and removes the buoy or the last bit of rope along with chain comes over the side and we sort out back at the pontoon. When you have a crew member as capable as my boy no words are uttered we both know exactly what is going to happen. I recommend every skipper has a Dean and it sounds like you will have one in not to many years time Edited December 1, 2020 by Maverick Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On Apache, the anchor, chain and rope for the usual depth I anchor in live in a builders bucket in up in the anchor well in the cuddy. When we're ready to anchor the bucket comes out and the anchor gets thrown over the side once the buoy and ring is clipped on. Recovery is the same but in reverse. The buoy, with anchor and chain suspended below gets pulled by hand alongside (not hard work as the buoy is holding the anchor and you're only pulling it towards the boat). Once alongside the rope, chain and anchor is wound back into the bucket, then re-stowed up front. I'd consider going back to the Alderney method on Jersey Girl as its quicker and safer than using the windlass because I wouldn't need to go up front with no railings in a swell to sort out any tangles in the gypsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryW Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Interested to hear about using the Alderney method with a windlass. Not had a windlass til recently and always used the Alderney method off the front of my old Bayliner. I'll see how it goes with the windlass and may revert to the Alderney. I still have all the kit save the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 having a smallboat i youse the alderney rig. i just pull it in and put it into a bilders bucket ball and all;no probs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 5:30 PM, Odyssey said: Personally I don’t.... 😬😬😬😬 Ive had too many pull out (should of added more cable ties) Its on the job list for tomorrow and weekend.... move kit around boat, resplice anchor rode, Set anchor to trip.... however I like to overnight and I don’t want it to trip overnight. Tom Bettle is on WSF selling small anchors that are self tripping but only up to about 7.5kg so too small for my boat For the benefit of people who are unable through unfortunate circumstances which are no fault of there own these are what he’s peddling- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyswamp Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 9:06 PM, JonC said: Yeah that’s pretty much my technique, it’s just that last little bit that puts a lot of strain on the windlass I don’t like. I know what you mean, but fuck it that's what it's for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 5:30 PM, Odyssey said: Set anchor to trip.... however I like to overnight and I don’t want it to trip overnight. Just thinking about this a bit - would it be possible to use a spare shackle to ensure it can't trip when overnighting? You could leave the cable ties on and shackle the chain to the last eye of the anchor whenever you need to, then remove and let the ties do their work when fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Has anyone come across a heavy-weight trip device for larger boats? i.e. something more scientific than cable ties or whipping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Has anyone come across a heavy-weight trip device for larger boats? i.e. something more scientific than cable ties or whipping? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Just thinking about this a bit - would it be possible to use a spare shackle to ensure it can't trip when overnighting? You could leave the cable ties on and shackle the chain to the last eye of the anchor whenever you need to, then remove and let the ties do their work when fishing. I’ve been thinking about it too..... If overnight on Celtic deeps no need to anchor as I’ll be fishing on the drift 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Andy135 said: Just thinking about this a bit - would it be possible to use a spare shackle to ensure it can't trip when overnighting? You could leave the cable ties on and shackle the chain to the last eye of the anchor whenever you need to, then remove and let the ties do their work when fishing. You're a bit slow I mentioned this on page one of this thread lol Saintly Fish, Andy135 and JonC 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Maverick said: You're a bit slow I mentioned this on page one of this thread lol Tell it like it is Martin 🤣👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, Maverick said: You're a bit slow I mentioned this on page one of this thread lol Too busy banging on about his boat again. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Andy135 said: Tell it like it is Martin 🤣👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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