Little help pls to choose a bunch of boat rods/reels

[suzook12]

4 minutes ago, Andy135 said:

Are you certain that you're only lifting 30lb of weight, not more? If so, then I suspect that the quoted breaking strain has been over-stated. To break at just over half of the quoted b.s. and mid-length suggests that it's not truly 50lb b.s. braid.

We had some Spiderwire braid at the boat meet recently, and the spool markings were a little intriguing, in that it was labelled as 20lb b.s. braid, but also carried a max b.s. figure of 36lb. I wonder if your PowerPro is quoting the absolute max b.s. (i.e. the factory managed to obtain a single recorded b.s. test result of 50lb, but the average b.s. was actually much lower) and should really be downgraded to quote 30lb.

 

You've reminded me of some braid I bought off of ebay once, last minute I bought a new reel to go to Ireland , a TLD20, so ordered some braid to put on it. It arrived the afternoon before we left and it was a bit thicker than I was expecting. Had no time to do anything about it so went with it. With much pee taking from my fellow anglers, we had a day off of the fastnet after large skate when I snagged the bottom, tied off to the rear post to let the boat pull it out..... 10 minutes and the boat hadn't moved, I'd anchored the boat!!!

The piss taking was merciless after that!!

[Petroni]

Thanks guys. Its Powerpro spectra, weight box I am lifting has been checked as 14.7kgs which comes out at just below 32½lbs (I rounded it in my head first post). I was expecting more from this brand tbh. Not exactly cheap but not the dearest, true. I just found a few tests on Youtube for PPSpectra which broke well under the stated B.S. (tested when dry) and there seems to be an underlying bit that says "It needs to be wet to be stronger" which I have not yet confirmed as real but makes some sense.

 

[Andy135]

3 minutes ago, suzook12 said:

The piss taking was merciless after that!!

Really? Can't think why! 🤣🤣

[Andy135]

2 minutes ago, Petroni said:

 I just found a few tests on Youtube for PPSpectra which broke well under the stated B.S. (tested when dry) and there seems to be an underlying bit that says "It needs to be wet to be stronger" which I have not yet confirmed as real but makes some sense.

This is interesting. I've never heard of the need for braid to be wet before it delivers the stated breaking strain. Let us know the results if you test it out - I'm genuinely curious. 👍

[Andy135]

3 minutes ago, Petroni said:

I was expecting more from this brand tbh. 

Agreed - pending the results of a wet vs dry test, I'd be inclined to ditch this brand in future.

[Petroni]

Tried a few more dry tests all broke same as before. Tried dunking line, tying knots, broke same. Tried leaving line submerged for a while, tying knots, still broke.  Finally used slightly warmer than tepid water and submerged for a few minutes and finally got one of the tests to work at the 14.7kg 32½lb test weight while lifting very gingerly (no offence intended to gingers). It worked. Might just be a fluke but I then did a few searches online for braid BS generally and PPSpectra specifically and learned that my issue is the norm, not the exception.

 

Seems that if the line is rated as CLASS it will honour the BS quoted but if, as is the case with almost all line, it is rated TEST, it could break if you sneeze on it. It seems that ratings are done based upon wet conditions which is odd as from what I found, braid does not absorb water, it just gets wet.

Here is one chat that indicates what I found https://the-pikers-pit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=25595  

Tests over but I learned something today, braiding my hair will weaken it.

[suzook12]

49 minutes ago, Andy135 said:

Agreed - pending the results of a wet vs dry test, I'd be inclined to ditch this brand in future.

I don't buy it, the braid on the rod will be dry so what would be the point of having a 50lb breaking strain in the water but only 30lb out of the water.... Good for business selling braid tho I guess, as every break will be 100ft of line instead of a few feet....

Mind you, how many of us actually test breaking strains, most will usually just load it up and take it for granted. Geting broken up just makes the fish you'd hooked bigger!!

Edited July 9, 2021 by suzook12

[Andy135]

11 minutes ago, Petroni said:

while lifting very gingerly (no offence intended to gingers).

🤣👍👨‍🦰

[Saintly Fish]

36 minutes ago, Petroni said:

no offence intended to gingers

Only one ginger here. And he can take it!! 👨🏼‍🦰

[Petroni]

On 7/6/2021 at 6:46 PM, Saintly Fish said:

If you don’t want to sit there wasting your life away making rigs (you did say time saved is a good idea), then for starters you can search for “Ken’s rigs” on eBay. I’ve purchased bream rigs and plaice rigs from him and they are quality home tied rigs. But with any rig you don’t tie yourself, always double check the knots. 
I can’t be arsed to tie rigs so generally use Ken’s and then running ledgers for all other situations. 
just remember with hook lengths, in a small tide make them double length over the strong tide lengths. This allows them to flow around that bit more. 

I think Ken may have changed his name to escape fame and fortune. An ebay search for "Ken's rigs" returns nothing but "seaswest" looked pretty fair with 30 mixed rigs for around £1.25 each (if you buy 3 lots of 10). Does Ken go by any other moniker? In these modern times he may have chosen a new gender assignment. 

[Andy135]

3 minutes ago, Petroni said:

In these modern times he may have chosen a new gender assignment. 

🤣 maybe try Barbie's Rigs?? 

[Saintly Fish]

12 minutes ago, Petroni said:

I think Ken may have changed his name to escape fame and fortune. An ebay search for "Ken's rigs" returns nothing but "seaswest" looked pretty fair with 30 mixed rigs for around £1.25 each (if you buy 3 lots of 10). Does Ken go by any other moniker? In these modern times he may have chosen a new gender assignment. 

Ken2319 is his user name, but I’ve just popped on and it does appear that he has nothing for sale. That’s a shame. I’ve just messaged him to see if he has pulled his stuff. 

[Petroni]

4 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said:

Ken2319 is his user name, but I’ve just popped on and it does appear that he has nothing for sale. That’s a shame. I’ve just messaged him to see if he has pulled his stuff. 

Thanks for the heads up, Murphy's Law prevails once again 

[Saintly Fish]

15 minutes ago, Petroni said:

Thanks for the heads up, Murphy's Law prevails once again 

🤣. I’ve messaged him and he is in hospital. Also done with eBay. I’m trying to find out if purchasing direct is an option. 

[Petroni]

1 hour ago, Saintly Fish said:

🤣. I’ve messaged him and he is in hospital. Also done with eBay. I’m trying to find out if purchasing direct is an option. 

Wow, sorry to hear that, please don't apply any pressure unless it might help his recovery.

[Petroni]

On 7/9/2021 at 3:13 PM, Saintly Fish said:

🤣. I’ve messaged him and he is in hospital. Also done with eBay. I’m trying to find out if purchasing direct is an option. 

Thanks for the PM. Before I call him and say "Saintly Fish put me in  touch" I thought I better know your name :p - Mine is Peter North but I don't tend to use it online as if you ever search for it you get the number one Canadian porn star pop up and this has been known to frighten any nearby domestic pets. But I will call Ken and see if he is up for making a few rigs for me, thank you very much.

Today's question is about hooks - quality, quantity (and sourcing)

I have bought a few packs of larger Mustad hooks (2/0's to 10/0s) and have seen (but not yet bought) Kamasan brand (from Angling Direct). They are packed in 7's so my question is, if I am stocking up on a small amount each of 4's, 2's, 1's and 1/0's etc, am I as well buying single packs of Kamasans at about £2.90 a pack or should I be looking elsewhere at better/larger quality/quantities or branded selection packs etc.  As always, thanks for the shared knowledge.

Regards - Not the Porn Star 

 

[Saintly Fish]

1 hour ago, Petroni said:

Thanks for the PM. Before I call him and say "Saintly Fish put me in  touch" I thought I better know your name 😛 - Mine is Peter North but I don't tend to use it online as if you ever search for it you get the number one Canadian porn star pop up and this has been known to frighten any nearby domestic pets. But I will call Ken and see if he is up for making a few rigs for me, thank you very much.

Today's question is about hooks - quality, quantity (and sourcing)

I have bought a few packs of larger Mustad hooks (2/0's to 10/0s) and have seen (but not yet bought) Kamasan brand (from Angling Direct). They are packed in 7's so my question is, if I am stocking up on a small amount each of 4's, 2's, 1's and 1/0's etc, am I as well buying single packs of Kamasans at about £2.90 a pack or should I be looking elsewhere at better/larger quality/quantities or branded selection packs etc.  As always, thanks for the shared knowledge.

Regards - Not the Porn Star 

 

My name is Neil. Just tell Ken that we spoke by cryptic msg through eBay. He will understand. 
10/0 hooks?? What do you intend to catch? 

[JonC]

Avoid the cheaper unbranded hooks that are in bulk, ive had a few ok ones but a lot are crap, too brittle. 
The worst hooks I’ve bought are Tronix, I’ve had loads of 4/0s snap off when using a t bar. They will probably be ok in a 10/0 though! 

[Petroni]

1 hour ago, Saintly Fish said:

My name is Neil. Just tell Ken that we spoke by cryptic msg through eBay. He will understand. 
10/0 hooks?? What do you intend to catch? 

Tow lines if we break down.

[Petroni]

BTW i saw this link on Angling Direct's site with Diawa J X8 braid at 42% below rrp, around £35 (Pink sale whatever that is) for 500m lengths that seemed like a deal (from what I recall elsewhere) and remembered that some here use it. It was dark green which may account for the price but I thought I would share https://www.anglingdirect.co.uk/daiwa-j-braid-x8?queryID=74fab1b3b4a9b0174a615f45433277aa&objectID=48937&indexName=live_ad_uk_products

 

[Andy135]

Generally I tend not to skimp on hooks. Kamasan are a well known brand and I've used them without issue. Mustad and Cox & Rawle are other good brands.

For now I'd say you could start off with the smaller packs until you find a brand you like then look at bulk packs when you're ready.

 

[suzook12]

I tend to stick with kamasan uptide vikings or aberdeens in the smaller sizes. Haven't used enough cox n rawle to be impressed/unimpressed with them, however, mustad I won't touch with a barge pole, the reasons for which I no longer remember, but goes back to the 80's. Inability to hold a point may have been it.....

[Saintly Fish]

26 minutes ago, suzook12 said:

I tend to stick with kamasan uptide vikings or aberdeens in the smaller sizes. Haven't used enough cox n rawle to be impressed/unimpressed with them, however, mustad I won't touch with a barge pole, the reasons for which I no longer remember, but goes back to the 80's. Inability to hold a point may have been it.....

Ive had a few mustad hooks snap on me when playing big fish. 

[Andy135]

33 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said:

Ive had a few mustad hooks snap on me when hooking the bottom. 

Fixed that for you mate.

[Saintly Fish]

12 minutes ago, Andy135 said:

Fixed that for you mate.

Gee thanks. No unicorn scarfs here.