Popular Post Malc Posted January 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2022 I was interested in a thread further down where @Andy135hope I got the name right, was asking about cod and in particular; "Back on topic for a moment, has anyone had any success bouncing a lure across open ground for cod, or only on wrecks? Thinking it could be a good technique to cover lots of ground to find the fish, rather than using a bait as long as yer arm to draw them (and every other species) in." Rather than drag an old topic up I thought I would put in my two penn'eth in as they are my bread and butter and luring is my preferred method. Generalisations first; cod like a buzzy, noisy, tail thumping lure but will take things like savage gear sandeel slugs that have little movement or water noise but that is usually during the warmer months. Baited hokkais, Muppets etc over broken ground will get plenty of fish but smaller specimens so if there is little doing then drifting with a set of these may help find or attract a shoal or individual fish. We had a sticky day recently when big baits nailed to the bottom were getting little interest but rods in the holders with Muppets were getting the fish. Firstly "bouncing" a fish type lure. Generally I don't bounce unless I am not getting fish, or not seeing any on the FF I lower to the bottom and keep it as close as possible with just the motion of the boat to impart movement. If you see fish on the sounder wind up 5-10ft and then let it free fall back. I prefer to rig weedless as I fish mainly over rough ground and where there are likely to be pots and I don't miss many proper takes. These are the lures I use taken at random to show what I mean by noisy. The pink storm shad is a summer lure put in to show the differences, the lengths are similar but the tails are not. That's why I prefer the ones on the right and centre, good tail thumping action! I doubt that the sidewinder in the centre would be much use in deep fast water on its own but could be used on a flying collar rig. The spiky gets used by me on a cheburaska (Cheb?) rig but would also be ok on a flying collar, I also use it on a stand up jighead rig if I know that there are cod about but are being picky however it does get snagged up a lot so be warned. Last bit is about rigging, generally I use 30lb flouro trace with a crosslock link rated well above the trace, usually 35kg, but we used to get a few small ling in the early summer so I used to up the trace then to 60-80lb but most times fish are hooked in the scissors or front upper of the mouth. Variation on the above which can get you a bonus Pollock if they are about or helps visually is to have a short dropper about 3" long 12-18" above the shad and I use a sandeel slug or sluggo etc on a worm hook, again to stop unnecessary snagging but also to assist in keeping it horizontal. I sometimes use two droppers if it is summer as I find that small 3-4" slugs work best but later on I will use single droppers with 6-9" slugs or curltail. I will add more later when I get time about using creature baits and other rigs etc, hope you find it useful. Odyssey, JonC, suzook12 and 6 others 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Quality post @Malc. A good overview of luring for cod. Thanks for sharing 👍. Interesting that you've had success with stand-up jigheads. I know them as ned-rigged when fishing for bass from shore but never thought to try the same principle with bigger lures for cod. Food for thought there, particularly as there is a large patch of broken ground (the Spoils, an old dumping ground out past the Nab Tower in the east Wight approaches) that I plan to explore this year. Will also give the dropper idea a try too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 It’s such a shame that the fish are so few and far between that it’s hard to prove any method, I’d just be happy to foul hook one. Malc and Geoff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 Creatures I use this rig, I believe it is a variation on a jika (?) rig two connected split rings with the top having the hook the bottom has a rotten bottom and weight that works in that area. I use different lengths as some areas the rocks have short lengths of weed on them. The only reason for the quick link is so I can quickly change to a single shad or other lure. You can use a shad/minnow on them but I like using creatures or tubes and hop them over the bottom like a shrimp, squat, langoustine or similar. To create a bit more noise you can put a glass rattle inside the body. Tight lines 🎣 Andy135 and JonC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 And you would use these whilst at anchor, uptiding, downtiding etc or always on the drift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: And you would use these whilst at anchor, uptiding, downtiding etc or always on the drift? The stand up jighead rig and jika/Cheb rigs are great on very slow tides so I would imagine that they would work swinging around at anchor or cast a short distance as I have used them like that, apart from at anchor, from a kayak although I have used them at anchor from a boat but just as a trial, jury is still out in this instance. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Malc said: jighead rig and jika/Cheb rigs These are rigs that I/we will need more education on. These are not words I've ever heard before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 9 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: These are rigs that I/we will need more education on. These are not words I've ever heard before! Ok, I'll try and get something put together hopefully today Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Malc said: Ok, I'll try and get something put together hopefully today Thanks Malc. No rush though. By 11am will be fine! 🤣 Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Thanks Malc. No rush though. By 11am will be fine! 🤣 I’m busy at 11am, make it 10am please. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 If it isn't done by 10-01am hold your breath until it is, and if it isn't done by 11-01 same applies.👍😉 suzook12, Saintly Fish and Odyssey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Malc said: If it isn't done by 10-01am hold your breath until it is, and if it isn't done by 11-01 same applies.👍😉 Don't forget the hand sketched diagrams !! 👍🏻 Malc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 this sounds very interesting, looking forward to your post . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: Don't forget the hand sketched diagrams !! 👍🏻 Are you still with us? 😉 Here's the cheburaska (sp?) or Cheb rig. Large gape worm hook is attached to the wire which is then inserted into the weight. As you can see the wire runs above the centre line of the weight so doesn't roll over and the hook hinges freely. Worm, shad, creature bait is then added to the hook and it can be either lowered or cast. The action of these is more extreme than a shad such as the fiish black minnow or the sidewinder or storm shown earlier. As you lift it the fish looks as if it is bolting almost vertically up and the reverse on dropping, the pre rigged baits such as the sidewinder will have less of an angle to them. Just held in the tide and all will be horizontal (ish). I think this triggers fish, cod in particular but ballan also, to attack particularly on the drop or if left inert on the bottom for a second or two. Stand up jigheads LOOK LIKE THESE but can vary in weight, angle and how the soft plastic lure is retained on the hook. Savage gear do the heaviest I have found, up to 42g, as most are used in fresh. I was not aware about how to use them properly until I saw a vid from America. I have had fish when fishing up and down but didn't get them when casting as I did with the Cheb rig. The reason was when fished straight up and down the head will stay down with the lure tail waving attractively upwards, but if cast away from you or at an angle it has a tendency to fall back so that the lure tail is inert on the seabed. Another drawback is it is not weedless and can snag up. Jika rig As per the photo Similar to the Cheb rig, a weight is attached to the bottom split ring or to the rotten bottom line (the brown line in the photo), the quick link is part of the trace and a lure is added to the worm hook. The bonus with this is you can add as much or as little weight as you need to keep you in contact with the bottom. Those are the basics and there are lots of more experienced anglers than me who use these rigs more regularly so have a trawl around and see what others are saying. If there is anything else I can help you with or clarify just ask on this thread or by pm. Saintly Fish and Andy135 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 So @Malc, what's the rule of thumb when selecting different coloured jellies/lures (whatever) for different seasons or light conditions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: So @Malc, what's the rule of thumb when selecting different coloured jellies/lures (whatever) for different seasons or light conditions?? My 2 pence is that it's the silhouette/size/vibration/movement that gets the bites, not colour that much. Colour can of course help to present a clearer silhouette when seen from below/to the side, but isn't the only (or indeed primary) factor when selecting a lure to use [speaking as an ex-bass lure angler]. Curious to hear from others on this as it's a subject that comes up fairly frequently in lure angling discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Andy135 said: speaking as an ex-bass lure angler 🤣Ex? Is that because you were/are crap at it, or because tadpole dumped you? 🤣 GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: 🤣Ex? Is that because you were/are crap at it, or because tadpole dumped you? 🤣 Neither - I just don't have enough free time in between work and family commitments to do both, and on the times that I have available to go fishing, I find myself wanting use the boat instead of going rock-hopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Just now, Andy135 said: Neither 🌈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: 🤣Ex? Is that because you were/are crap at it, or because tadpole dumped you? 🤣 Ah, @Tadpole. I still think fondly of our times spent together under the stars, chasing that elicit thrill of a midnight tug on a deserted beach far from prying eyes. GPSguru and Saintly Fish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Ah, @Tadpole. I still think fondly of our times spent together under the stars, chasing that elicit thrill of a midnight tug on a deserted beach far from prying eyes. I’d actually forgotten about Tadpole, doesn’t he run the shore fishing page on here? Not seen much of him lately. I wonder if he’s forgotten his login or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 minute ago, JonC said: I’d actually forgotten about Tadpole, doesn’t he run the shore fishing page on here? Not seen much of him lately. I wonder if he’s forgotten his login or something? I think his mate @Bones took over from him when tad spat his dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, JonC said: I’d actually forgotten about Tadpole, doesn’t he run the shore fishing page on here? Not seen much of him lately. I wonder if he’s forgotten his login or something? No, neither he nor Bones had the right stuff to make a go of it, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Go if it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, JonC said: Go if it? Go of it. Fat fingers typing too fast on small keyboard. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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