Saintly Fish Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 The blue hull on my Starfisher 840 is oxidised and a bit shit looking. Also the old sticker outlines are visible. I know it can all be cut and polished out, but how long will that last? A season? Half a season? Then I’ll have to do it all again. Im considering a hull wrap. 7-10 year life span with no maintenance apart from a fresh water wash down now and again. Any one had a hull wrap before ? Was it any good? I’ve seen a couple of examples of the guys work and he’s real good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, JonC said: I would try that gear swampy used on his blue hull, that came up lovely. I have shadows from gt stripes that were down the sides, they rat me. I will try to polish them out better this year You don’t think I’m going to do the hard work do you Jon? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonC said: Probably a bit beyond your skills set Oh your jokes just get better with age. 👍🏻🐽 iowspence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Few??? he means Both of them. Geoff. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Geoff said: Few??? he means Both of them. Geoff. Ouchhh !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 Anyway...... back to the topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Anyway...... back to the topic The only bad thing I have heard about is that 'wrap' is very easily damaged, nowhere near as tough as Gel coat .............. Get stuck in there with an electric polisher, followed by a good quality wax ................ JonC will do it for you ..........🤣 Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, GPSguru said: The only bad thing I have heard about is that 'wrap' is very easily damaged, nowhere near as tough as Gel coat .............. Get stuck in there with an electric polisher, followed by a good quality wax ................ JonC will do it for you ..........🤣 Good advice Neil. Even if JonC does not oblige, your gelcoat is far better than a film wrap. Once you have mastered the polisher you could try self isolating in Lincolnshire and do mine. Geoff. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Paints (not diy applied) are more robust than both wrap and gel coat + easier to touch up.. Awlgrip is supposed to be really good but a good paint job will be more expensive than a wrap. I have heard that even Sunseeker boats have boats painted in darker shades as the paints do not fade/chalk as much as gelcoat. My brother had a Sunseeker 48' Superhawk. That was wrapped and got damaged by the boatyard the first time they lifted it. He did however have the yard pay to have the boat re-wrapped Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Geoff said: Good advice Neil. Even if JonC does not oblige, your gelcoat is far better than a film wrap. Once you have mastered the polisher you could try self isolating in Lincolnshire and do mine. Geoff. Farecla G3 or G6 , followed by a good boat wax ....................... Electric polishing is quick ............ 2 or us did one side of a Bavaria 36 yacht on a short tide window, then turned it on the high tide and did the other side on the next tide window ........... Edited November 16, 2020 by GPSguru Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Boat wraps are popular here but from what Ive seen many don't have a great life span, maybe the sunny climate doesn't help. Ive seen some peeling off from people who have tried applying them themselves. I google searched and found which cut and polish compounds most people were using and invested in a decent polisher after wasting money on a low cost polisher (like a 9ins grinder!!) Now Ive detailed all our vehicles and can't believe how easy and rewarding the finish is when using better gear for the job Makita PO6000C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 hours ago, GPSguru said: The only bad thing I have heard about is that 'wrap' is very easily damaged, nowhere near as tough as Gel coat .............. Yes I am aware of this and that’s my only reservation. I don’t have time to polish the boat myself. I’ve been quoted £340 to polish the hull and if it needs doing every season that 2500-3400 quid over the life time of the wrap. The wrap is better value over the life time. Could be even better value seeing as the guy wants his bathroom re done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 8 hours ago, iowspence said: After. Pics prob don’t do it justice as I’ve just done a screen shot. The lines on the side are actually the reflection of the trailer. It’s like a mirror. As I said, absolutely fantastic job they done!! Thanks Spence. That looks brand new again👍🏻 What company did he use? £1200 is cheaper than my quote but his boat does look smaller slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 How would they wrap a boat that's not on a trailer? Presume you'd have to get your boat put onto blocks and they'd wrap just the top half of the hull? If you're going to do it, you may as well get something properly unique. Logos/branding or some custom type of colour scheme. Seems a bit "meh" to get a wrap of the same colour as you already have. A missed opportunity perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andy135 said: How would they wrap a boat that's not on a trailer? Presume you'd have to get your boat put onto blocks and they'd wrap just the top half of the hull? If you're going to do it, you may as well get something properly unique. Logos/branding or some custom type of colour scheme. Seems a bit "meh" to get a wrap of the same colour as you already have. A missed opportunity perhaps? Unlike some, I’m into classic and classy not shell suit flashy thanks. and yes it would be done when the boat get pulled out for 6 weeks in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, iowspence said: They are Vision Designs at Lake on the Isle of Wight. I dont think they have a website as such. They have a page on facebook. Lots of reviews on Google. All 5 Stars. Cheers Spence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Unlike some, I’m into classic and classy not shell suit flashy thanks. and yes it would be done when the boat get pulled out for 6 weeks in January. Shame, I had visions of Tarlach Too in purple with lime green go-fast stripes... 😉 iowspence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Shame, I had visions of Tarlach Too in purple with lime green go-fast stripes... 😉 Dream on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Decent polishing machines are DA (dual action) rather than concentric action. There is also a vast difference in Quality. I bought an Argos version for about £55, but it was uncomfortable to use and vibrated a lot. The DA's used in the FG works cost about £300 each, but are far better, especially if using for several hours in a day. The Argos one would be fine if polishing about once a year, but the professional machines are faGeoff.r better. JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Polished my hull 2 years ago still looks good. Wont need a full cut and polish, instead I’ll wax polish it and it’ll take a day with electric polisher..... Top sides get done every 12 months, hull every 2 years. it’s a fishing boat so maybe not quite as detailed a saiking boat.... but when at sea no one notices 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: Yes I am aware of this and that’s my only reservation. I don’t have time to polish the boat myself. I’ve been quoted £340 to polish the hull and if it needs doing every season that 2500-3400 quid over the life time of the wrap. The wrap is better value over the life time. Could be even better value seeing as the guy wants his bathroom re done! Give it a go Neil ...... apart from the initial cost profile you have got nothing to lose. If it doesn't work out like you hoped then it is pretty easy to reverse back to where you are now with just a small dent in your wallet. However, it does damage easily so you will need to be mega careful when berthing an also when any boats pull along side. Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Given that I need to get my hull polished, I wonder if we can get a volume discount for both @Saintly Fish? Or we split the cost of a decent DA polisher and DIY? Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Given that I need to get my hull polished, I wonder if we can get a volume discount for both @Saintly Fish? Or we split the cost of a decent DA polisher and DIY? That’s worth considering either way. Gives us something to chat about Sunday 🤞🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: That’s worth considering either way. Gives us something to chat about Sunday 🤞🏻 That will make a nice change from doggies and blanking. Geoff. ☺️ Saintly Fish, iowspence and Andy135 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, JonC said: What does it do different? I know it’s going to be far better quality and more robust than a normal polisher but is there a different function? Part of the difference is that they don't do perfect circles, they throw a different rotation pattern and eliminate swirls. They also have a slip or stall setting which eliminates to much power and heat to certain delicate paint surfaces. Theres also the trigger that can control the speed of the rotation and soft slow start up. As already mentioned, much has to do with comfort and vibration in the hand. When I looked into purchasing I asked a few car smash repair yards if they recommended the likes of rupes polishers etc and I didn't find any commercial user that actually used them as they claimed the Makita had several advantages over them, one being half the cost. The Makita has a setting where you can use it like the high end models allowing for slip or you can set it to not slip (which I tend to use most of the time). I only use the slip function on finishing polishes on our vehicles. Makita also gives a 3 year warranty over here on this model. Plenty of info on youtube explaining polishers better. For a boat wrap to be fitted the hull will need to be polished if its oxidised badly. I believe here 3M products get the better ratings. In regards to fitting while on a trailer, there are numerous videos on this. This is just on a small boat but there are videos doing it on far bigger boats. Edited November 17, 2020 by JDP JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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