Malc Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I've been thinking, strange but true, about the changes in marine life. At one time bass and doggies were a rarity and noteworthy up in the NE of England and E Scotland but they are being caught with more regularity. This week I caught a Gurnard off the mouth of the Tyne and in the 70's and 80's pout were also a rarity up here and now I can almost guarantee to get one or two a session during the summer. I wonder if it is just the warming of the seas rather than the removal of big cod by fishing and lots of other possible things, sandeel decline, increasing herring numbers etc etc Your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 We had a massive surge in the amount of thornbacks in the Thames estuary, to the point that they became a bit of a pest. The numbers seem to be down this year maybe through overfishing or just their natural routine changing again. Dogfish have traveled further up the river than I’ve ever known. It’s all definitely changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Malc said: I've been thinking, strange but true, about the changes in marine life. At one time bass and doggies were a rarity and noteworthy up in the NE of England and E Scotland but they are being caught with more regularity. This week I caught a Gurnard off the mouth of the Tyne and in the 70's and 80's pout were also a rarity up here and now I can almost guarantee to get one or two a session during the summer. I wonder if it is just the warming of the seas rather than the removal of big cod by fishing and lots of other possible things, sandeel decline, increasing herring numbers etc etc Your thoughts? Also with this report of sword fish around us too. Seems that the waters are changing, there are quite a few trigger fish caught down our way, and sun fish spotted. A couple of weeks ago one of the PBSBAC members spotted a pod of orca near Poole bay. I think it was there, @Maverickor @MegaBytecan confirm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I was told however that the cod have moved more away from the south because of the fall in a certain type of small shell fish they feed on. Not necessarily because of the rise in sea temp Malc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: certain type of small shell fish they feed on Do you remember the name, might be interesting to follow that up online, I'm sad like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Malc said: Do you remember the name, might be interesting to follow that up online, I'm sad like that! I can't remember the name sorry. but it definitely wasn't these... https://metro.co.uk/2014/04/12/fisherman-finds-large-red-dildo-in-cod-he-has-just-caught-4697054/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Also with this report of sword fish around us too. Seems that the waters are changing, there are quite a few trigger fish caught down our way, and sun fish spotted. A couple of weeks ago one of the PBSBAC members spotted a pod of orca near Poole bay. I think it was there, @Maverickor @MegaBytecan confirm! I remember seeing sunfish when I was on charter trips out of Newquay as a child and have seen them off of Dover 20 or so years back so not a new thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, JonC said: I remember seeing sunfish when I was on charter trips out of Newquay as a child and have seen them off of Dover 20 or so years back so not a new thing We'll, I'd never heard of them around here. I accept sometimes I can be wrong. captin slows old outlaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, JonC said: I remember seeing sunfish when I was on charter trips out of Newquay as a child and have seen them off of Dover 20 or so years back so not a new thing They are up here, some muppet on WSF in Sunderland deliberately foul hooked one and said that he thought it was a baby seal!!! WTF 🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: I can't remember the name sorry. but it definitely wasn't these... https://metro.co.uk/2014/04/12/fisherman-finds-large-red-dildo-in-cod-he-has-just-caught-4697054/ Yeah, not going there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: Also with this report of sword fish around us too. Seems that the waters are changing, there are quite a few trigger fish caught down our way, and sun fish spotted. A couple of weeks ago one of the PBSBAC members spotted a pod of orca near Poole bay. I think it was there, @Maverickor @MegaBytecan confirm! Trigger fish have been around our way for quite a few years now but are very localised. Sunfish are spotted every year, here'e one landed by a club member then promptly returned unharmed Re Orca's a pod was spotted off of Lulworth earlier this year. We also see/hear reports of basking sharks annually Saintly Fish, Malc and JonC 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaByte Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: Also with this report of sword fish around us too. Seems that the waters are changing, there are quite a few trigger fish caught down our way, and sun fish spotted. A couple of weeks ago one of the PBSBAC members spotted a pod of orca near Poole bay. I think it was there, @Maverickor @MegaBytecan confirm! I don't know about the Orca,but I caught a Trigger fish Saintly Fish and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 The mackerel seem to be moving north too, or at least leaving the south coast. That could just be because they don't like the Pompey water though... MegaByte, Malc and captin slows old outlaw 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 It's a good question though. Fish migrations have been happening for years - think of the Scarborough tuna industry in the 1920's and 30's. Just no-one seems to know precisely why the migrations occur and how far they will go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, MegaByte said: I don't know about the Orca,but I caught a Trigger fish Top result! Well dangled Brian 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Andy135 said: ...Just no-one seems to know precisely why the migrations occur and how far they will go. Indeed, but it does open up the idea that we should probably be fishing for those fish that might be there as well as those we know are. Tope and smoothie north of Flamborough? Turbos? Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 they are not migrating just going on their annual holiday.🙂 Malc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 14 hours ago, Andy135 said: The mackerel seem to be moving north too, or at least leaving the south coast. That could just be because they don't like the Pompey water though... when are the dog fish leaving GPSguru, JDP, Malc and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 It’s not just fish…. (Increase in blue fin tuna, increased numbers of blue sharks etc) but other wildlife, we get more whales, Risso dolphins, common dolphins around, even some reports of flying fish off Gower…. is it global warming? El Niño, shift in Gulf Stream? Who knows…. Just need to change our expectations of fish from Cod to bonito perhaps… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Odyssey said: Cod to bonito perhaps That'd be nice 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike farrants Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 yeah lots of triggers and john dorys off chesil at the moment - but also codling..... plus bonitos further west keeps us on our toes i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 On 8/28/2022 at 8:25 PM, Andy135 said: It's a good question though. Fish migrations have been happening for years - think of the Scarborough tuna industry in the 1920's and 30's. Just no-one seems to know precisely why the migrations occur and how far they will go. There is definitely a lot more to it than the seas warming. There are lots of things to take into consideration, such as water quality, as the West has slowly lost it's industrial might then pollutants from our estuaries will have decreased. More food available to other species with the demise of cod. As for cod, we have local commercial boats fishing over the sp[awning grounds, what chance do the stand? Malc and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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