LostPiker Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Looking for a replacement for the Yamaha 60hp and found an Evinrude 75hp E-tec on Ebay. £3,500 and around 2007 model. Reading up online they are 2 stroke with direct injection? I was hoping to stick with one of the well known brands - Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Mercury or Mariner. Anyone got an opinion on Evinrude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) They had a terrible reputation over here in Aus. You would have to ask yourself why the company collapsed and no longer in production. Here's one from last weeks fishing adventures. Ended up being the end of a trip on the first day for these people who had just driven 4300km one way to join us on an offshore adventure. Edited October 14, 2022 by JDP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 They were supposed to be the pinnacle of 2 stroke technology but Bombardier, the parent company of Evinrude, pulled out of the market so clearly they can't have been that successful otherwise they would still be made & sold new. Personally I would avoid a boat with an E-Tec on it and I'd be suspicious of a used engine only - got to ask yourself why the boat owner removed the E-Tec in the first place - did they replace it with a 4-stroke perhaps? JDP, Maverick and Saintly Fish 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just go buy a new 60hp tohatsu. An extra £1500 I think they are! well, ok maybe a bit more than that. But still worth going for a brand new engine over an unknown old used POS. https://www.billhigham.co.uk/product/tohatsu-60hp-efi-4-stroke-outboard-electric-start-remote-control-power-tilt-trim-long-shaft-mfs60aetl-motor-engine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Or if you don't want to spend as much..... https://www.cambridgeoutboards.co.uk/acatalog/75HP-Mercury-Long-Shaft-Electric-Start-Power-Trim-2-Stroke-Remote-Control-Outboard-Motor-U33.html#SID=119 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 The engines are still in use, allbeit, in skidoo's and seadoo's. BRP quoted covid as the reason for closure. I guess the reality was that covid was the final nail in the coffin. BRP acquired Evinrude from OMC when they went under in 2000. I would hazard a guess the research and development costs and only a small market share for outboards is what did for them. Much of any bad reputation came from bad servicing from people not understanding the concept and the importance of the spark plugs facing exactly the right position. Add to that the odd cracked exhaust manifold causing a big loss of power...... I've heard of many more Suzukis gone bang than evinrudes, but that doesn't seem to worry anyone. New Tohatsu is £6.5k, 10 year old engines don't seem too much cheaper, but then dealers still want £2200 for autolubes like the one you just broke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I’m with Fishysaint here, bite the bullet and get a new tohatsu, you will (theoretically) get years of trouble free use from it with fairly reasonable service costs. As Neil said if someone is selling a decent 60hp engine you need to ask why. Not many people upgrade in terms of size so that suggests an underlying issue. It is a lot of money to weigh out but against paying a lot of money for a used one it makes sense to me. Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostPiker Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 i think I'll stay away from Evinrude then. That Tonhatsu is £7k - a lot more than an extra £1,500 Found a nice looking Suzuki but its an 11 hour drive away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Saintly Fish said: Or if you don't want to spend as much..... https://www.cambridgeoutboards.co.uk/acatalog/75HP-Mercury-Long-Shaft-Electric-Start-Power-Trim-2-Stroke-Remote-Control-Outboard-Motor-U33.html#SID=119 That don’t look like a ‘90 mode. I had a clamshell 50 that looked newer than that that was an ‘87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, LostPiker said: i think I'll stay away from Evinrude then. That Tonhatsu is £7k - a lot more than an extra £1,500 Found a nice looking Suzuki but its an 11 hour drive away What area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, LostPiker said: i think I'll stay away from Evinrude then. That Tonhatsu is £7k - a lot more than an extra £1,500 Found a nice looking Suzuki but its an 11 hour drive away Well yeah, I did say that. Buying 2nd hand engines is a dodgy business. You've been warned 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, JonC said: That don’t look like a ‘90 mode. I had a clamshell 50 that looked newer than that that was an ‘87 Well I will bow to your superior knowledge on this one Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 @LostPikerare you self employed ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostPiker Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: @LostPikerare you self employed ?? No, my wife is but not me 13 minutes ago, JonC said: What area? Right up in the north of Scotland. To be honest it looks a bit too cheap. 2011 Suzuki 90hp for £3k, I've messaged the seller but wouldn't be surprised to hear him ask for a few hundred quid deposit to hold it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, LostPiker said: No, my wife is but not me Right up in the north of Scotland. To be honest it looks a bit too cheap. 2011 Suzuki 90hp for £3k, I've messaged the seller but wouldn't be surprised to hear him ask for a few hundred quid deposit to hold it... Buy a new tohatsu 2 stroke through your wife's company and claim back the vat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Buy a new tohatsu 2 stroke through your wife's company and claim back the vat!! Could he offset the purchase against tax? It is for the survey boat after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, JonC said: Could he offset the purchase against tax? It is for the survey boat after all? Yes he could, if he put it down as tools/equipment/office supplies. Who's going to check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostPiker Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Buy a new tohatsu 2 stroke through your wife's company and claim back the vat!! She is an interior designer. Not sure how we'll justify an outboard lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, LostPiker said: She is an interior designer. Not sure how we'll justify an outboard lol Paint mixer?? who cares, the point is HMRC won't check! mike farrants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Hows the cost of Honda outboards compare ? Here they have a full 7yr warranty or 3 yr commercial. Buying commercial drops the cost dramatically if you are able to do that, reducing cost by around 30%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 14 hours ago, LostPiker said: Looking for a replacement for the Yamaha 60hp and found an Evinrude 75hp E-tec on Ebay. £3,500 and around 2007 model. Reading up online they are 2 stroke with direct injection? I was hoping to stick with one of the well known brands - Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Mercury or Mariner. Anyone got an opinion on Evinrude? The 40 - 75 range had an inherent ECU problem, the ECU failed and the main fuse would blow, replacement ECU’s had to be programmed to the engine by a dealer. Also, the oil is expensive as they tend to run better on Xd100, you can use Xd50 but the ECU needs to be told to use it. Misfire due to injectors was a common fault, however, the injectors are coded in the ECU, so changing them is not an easy option. On hard used ribs the engine mounting clamshell bracket has been known to break on the port side The lower cowl has hidden bolts and if not aligned perfectly it would easily crack. Gearbox seizures were common place on the earlier models, mainly with commercials when used at lower revs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 It’s a fantastic concept… but like all things too complex to be reliable. if it’s looked after by a ndd ad on dealer who knows what they are doing you got a hope… but 2 commercials I know who had them took them off, put on Yamahas (300hps) Speak to Chris Smith at North Tyne Marine. He may have spare parts or a suitable 2nd hand engine. or look on findafishing biat. You may get a commercial engine with high hours cheap. The benefit of this is that it’ll have been looked after and likely low revs… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) @LostPiker https://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/engine/2011-yamaha-75hp-2-stroke,-$amp-90hp-commercial-spec-2008----2011----three-left,-call-now-8103546/ here you go…. 🙂 no need to change the carbs but that would outlast most of us on here if looked after 🙂 Edited October 15, 2022 by Odyssey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostPiker Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, JonC said: I saw that but it's XL shaft and I think 115 is too much for a little pilot 520. Been offered a Merc 90 4 stroke 2004 on carbs. Can't decide if we should get another older engine as around march next year I get some money from a share scheme at work and could replace the whole boat. I like the look of a Quicksilver 620 type boat or to get a decent engine and stick with what we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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