willyhookit Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 just a heads up for the guys that use a suzuki Df from 90 hp to the 140 HP should you engine cut out at idle chances are its the Idle control valve sticking or its U/s you could try cleaning it using brake cleaner or you could fit a new one Suzuki prices are around the £400 .8p plus £6. ? plus the gasket well after having trouble with my engine cutting out at tick over ( Idle ) no fault codes showing up i was scratching my head a little so i looked on a few forums and came across a few guys who have had the same problem the Fix is to buy a Mk1 ford KA 1996 to 2008 Focus or Galaxy part no 9F715-AA you have to cut the old plug off and buy one off Ebay that fits the KA Galaxy & focus Idle control valve total cost £35 quite a saving and you can get then off ebay with a 5 year guarantee Tight lines Alain Geoff, Andy135 and daio web 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daio web Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 my mate just had the same problem hes still got boat mec doing it thats a 140 not good bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 its a 15min job to change be interesting to see his invoice tight lines Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 My 2014 suzuki 140 had plenty of other issues but not that one. Regular issues of not going above 3000rpm, gear bearings, power trim constant failings etc etc. Sold at 350hrs, since heard the new owner is having other issues with it. For the record it had had 8 annual services by Suzuki in those 350hrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 to be honest J D P my df140 as been great until i put E10 fuel into it im just waiting for the weather to improve and ill hopefully get out uptide fishing out of whitby only had one dealer service at a cost of £500 and the engine used more fuel after it and was making oil took me a while to find out what the problem was that turned out to be a leaking low pressure fuel pump fitted a new pump and all was well could go for a days uptide fishing for a Fiver of fuel or less the ground i fish is only a couple of miles out of the harbour at whitby each way engine runs fine with the duff idle control valve other then when you need low revs engine used to cut out and not idle right pain coming into a berth as i found out down at mylor i do all the work myself on the engine as its a 100 mile each way to the dealer who is in my mind F useless good at building boats and selling new outfits but his after sales needs to improve if im paying £100 per hour plus Vat i want a top notch job doing tight lines Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 7 hours ago, willyhookit said: to be honest J D P my df140 as been great until i put E10 fuel into it im just waiting for the weather to improve and ill hopefully get out uptide fishing out of whitby only had one dealer service at a cost of £500 and the engine used more fuel after it and was making oil took me a while to find out what the problem was that turned out to be a leaking low pressure fuel pump fitted a new pump and all was well could go for a days uptide fishing for a Fiver of fuel or less the ground i fish is only a couple of miles out of the harbour at whitby each way engine runs fine with the duff idle control valve other then when you need low revs engine used to cut out and not idle right pain coming into a berth as i found out down at mylor i do all the work myself on the engine as its a 100 mile each way to the dealer who is in my mind F useless good at building boats and selling new outfits but his after sales needs to improve if im paying £100 per hour plus Vat i want a top notch job doing tight lines Alain Hopefully you've got the E10 out of it, its hydrophilic which attracts water and boats tend to be left long periods without use where there's more chance of water building up. Also keep a close eye on those powerhead anodes and replace them when needed. Ive always struggled to get 12 months use from my anodes on Suzuki's. Some people leave the anodes to 100hr services, however many people don't do 100hrs of engine running in a year so they need checking. Also the plugs normally need replacing at 100hrs or sooner quite often. 100 quid per hour is crazy, the most expensive here would be half that but I only pay around 25 per hour for a mobile marine mechanic to do the work at my home. Either he can supple the service kits or I can get them, he gets them far cheaper than I can, so I leave it all to him. His family used to own a Yamaha dealership and his brother owns one of the biggest Suzuki deanships in our state, so they both have the best reputations for mechanical work from servicing to complete rebuilds. I do get a reduced rate as I often skipper the mechanics commercial boat, which is another more lucrative business for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 Cheers for the heads up on the Anodes i always carry a service kit will me the £100 per hour is plus VAT @ 20% so its £120 per hour usually 4 hours to service the engine plus the service kit or parts required if not in the kit thats why i do it myself tight lines Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, willyhookit said: Cheers for the heads up on the Anodes i always carry a service kit will me the £100 per hour is plus VAT @ 20% so its £120 per hour usually 4 hours to service the engine plus the service kit or parts required if not in the kit thats why i do it myself tight lines Alain 4 hours for a service? Is that a major service or just a lube job? It sounds like a long time to me, especially if you’re in the business and you have all the correct tools and equipment to hand. Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, JonC said: 4 hours for a service? Is that a major service or just a lube job? It sounds like a long time to me, especially if you’re in the business and you have all the correct tools and equipment to hand. £100 ph tew??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: £100 ph tew??? £100 per hour is fair enough for any skilled worker with tools. I was surprised that it could take 4 hours though. It’s not like they actually change anything they just show you some old worn it parts that they found somewhere else completely and do a bit of tooth whistling. Bit like heating engineers do. daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 16 hours ago, JonC said: £100 per hour is fair enough for any skilled worker with tools. I was surprised that it could take 4 hours though. It’s not like they actually change anything they just show you some old worn it parts that they found somewhere else completely and do a bit of tooth whistling. Bit like heating engineers do. Not at £100 per hour they don't!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 Update on my DF 140 engine stopped charging and the weather as been crap for weeks so not done anything to it well today with it been nice i thought id take a look stuck a multi meter on the battery and its charging 14.2 volts checked the wiring on the dash volt meter and it was a dry joint engine is running perfect might have to adjust the idle once its in the water now to start planing some fishing trips off over to the caravan on monday kids break from school next friday ( i park my outfit in the school car park ) so with a bit of look ill get to go fishing not drowned any worms since last September the old ( idle control valve is full of rust ) and seized up solid tight lines Alain daio web, Saintly Fish and Andy135 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daio web Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 thanks for the update glad you sorted it time to enjoy it again 🐳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 not a good advert for 140 is it? im glade i dont have one ove the moden outboards, i will stick to my seagule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 the engine as been perfect up until i used E10 fuel something ill never use again EVER i used to have a old seagull ended up using at as a anchor best anchor ive ever had tight lines Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) On 3/17/2024 at 4:42 AM, captin slows old outlaw said: not a good advert for 140 is it? im glade i dont have one ove the moden outboards, i will stick to my seagule I don't know how they've gotten such a good reputation, had nothing but issues with my Suzuki 140. Sometimes it wouldn't go over 3000rpm, oil alarms kept going off and needed a new gearbox under 400hrs. Ive owned 3 Suzuki outboards and all have had issues. Edited March 20 by JDP daio web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/20/2024 at 1:59 AM, JDP said: I don't know how they've gotten such a good reputation, had nothing but issues with my Suzuki 140. Sometimes it wouldn't go over 3000rpm, oil alarms kept going off and needed a new gearbox under 400hrs. Ive owned 3 Suzuki outboards and all have had issues. Yamaha all the way 😉 JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I think unless engines are bought from new then subsequently used and maintained in very similar ways it’s a bit harsh to rubbish a brand. There are so many variables that would affect the engine’s lifespan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, Odyssey said: Yamaha all the way 😉 I love my Yam, however the guy Im working with at the moment owned a Yam dealership and also a die-hard Yam person but put a Merc on the commercial boat Im skippering the next few days and can't fault it. He's ordered another for next month having clocked over 2000hrs in just over 12 months. Yes this boat is on the water running everyday, all day carrying up to 1 ton of shellfish most days. JonC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 mate over in Portugal as had nowt but trouble with his twin 150 hp yams oil pump packed up on one gears knacking up if you get a good engine regardless of make you tend to like them get a duffer and its like burning £50 notes JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 Just to show people the old I A C valve of the left and the ( Ford) one on the right old one £408 from Suzuki new one £26 off Ebay a Saving of £382 pounds my engine works fine now one very happy chappy roll on the good weather and hopefully we can all get out fishing tight lines Alain MegaByte, Andy135, Geoff and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 That’s crazy…. Beats the £32 a spark plug one marine engineer tried to charge me…. Given that there are 6 per engine and I have 2 of them it would have cost me £384. The other marine engineer I now use charges me £4.50ish per plug…. Exactly the same part! Good on you for finding the part code and getting it cheaper 🤩 suzook12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyhookit Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 this is the ( ford ) part no for the I A C that is a direct replacement for the ( Suzuki ) I A C Valve made by Mitsubishi Andy135 and daio web 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 That's a good result. Well done and thanks for sharing 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 that is a clever bit of thinking, anybobody got anymore tips like that and andy will have to start a new section. MegaByte and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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