Do we over complicate things?

[Saintly Fish]

 

[Odyssey]

In all seriousness, yes we do 

[Saintly Fish]

24 minutes ago, Odyssey said:

In all seriousness, yes we do 

I tend to agree. This guys method is so simple, and so is his rod. I can't see it working in the Solent or BC! 

[Odyssey]

7 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said:

I tend to agree. This guys method is so simple, and so is his rod. I can't see it working in the Solent or BC! 

Oh for sure it won’t work but beach fisherman can often get distracted by the amount of bling they add to rigs etc…. I sometimes wonder if we just use good quality bait and keep it simple if our catche rates would drop at all…. 🤔

[Saintly Fish]

6 minutes ago, JonC said:

When I first started beach fishing I mainly used a running ledger and caught more then than when I started using clipped up clipped down rigs with springs  and other complex crap. These things were what was in the magazines. 
These were the magazines that were full of advertisements selling all this unnecessary crap 

Yes we do tend to fall into the bling trap. I'm like you (only slimmer), I don't use much else than a running ledger. Difference is you up-tide and I down tide. Good quality bait is the key factor. 

[Odyssey]

Uptide or downtide same rig for me…. 
 

running ledger 3-4ft snood most likely a Pennel hook set up. (That’s for “normal” fishing)

[Saintly Fish]

7 minutes ago, Odyssey said:

Uptide or downtide same rig for me…. 
 

running ledger 3-4ft snood most likely a Pennel hook set up. (That’s for “normal” fishing)

Yes🤔 pennel rigs. I tend to stay away from double hooks as I find them a bit cruel. Somehow in my mind feeding a fish one sharp hook isn't as bad as feeding it a double. Especially greedy dogfish. 

[mike farrants]

from the boat simple running ledger or a 2 hook flapper for bream - simps

from the shore a simple pennel rig, ledger for flatties, or 2 hook flapper. Simps

from the pier float rig, spinning, or you guessed it - 2 hook flapper! simps

obvs add beads and sequins when targeting specific fish.

no need to overcomplicate though!

[captin slows old outlaw]

 i relay don't get existed with new bits and peaces. i like being out with friends a fish is a bonus , its nice to test some new ideas

[suzook12]

I think, when it comes to beach fishing, a lot of the bling was for where yards really matter, clip down rigs etc. There are beaches where nothing short of 150 yard baited casts will do, clip downs etc really come into their own then.

They are all tools of the trade, but it's down to the tradesman to know when to use them.....

 

[JDP]

No beads, clips, bait elastic here and most of the time I don't even use swivels.  Most hard body lures, soft plastics and even poppers don't spin, so swivels simply aren't needed. The fish I catch don't swim upside-down spinning in circles. 

[Saintly Fish]

16 minutes ago, JDP said:

No beads, clips, bait elastic here and most of the time I don't even use swivels.  Most hard body lures, soft plastics and even poppers don't spin, so swivels simply aren't needed. The fish I catch don't swim upside-down spinning in circles. 

So so far Jon you are the closest to the guys technique in the video! 

[suzook12]

By far the simplest method is to fish waters that have a good stock of fish....... Trying to catch fish in heavily commercially fished waters is an overcomplication we could well do without

[Odyssey]

19 hours ago, mike farrants said:

from the boat simple running ledger or a 2 hook flapper for bream - simps

from the shore a simple pennel rig, ledger for flatties, or 2 hook flapper. Simps

from the pier float rig, spinning, or you guessed it - 2 hook flapper! simps

obvs add beads and sequins when targeting specific fish.

no need to overcomplicate though!

I used to use a pulley pennel when fishing from the shore for distance. 
 

2 hook flapper for the smalll stuff 

 

Running ledger for inshore bassing. 
 

Instill use a 2 hook flapper for whiting and bream, no need for complex stuff. 

[JDP]

11 hours ago, Saintly Fish said:

So so far Jon you are the closest to the guys technique in the video! 

Do you mean that guy in the canoe with a poll and line!!!!!....most of the time we use a sharp stick over here to throw at fish!!!!

[Geoff]

1 minute ago, JDP said:

...most of the time we use a sharp stick over here to throw at fish!!!!

Probably because with the abundance of fish you can't miss. Geoff.

[MegaByte]

We certainly over complicate things. Most of the gear in tackle shops is there to catch the angler.

[JDP]

On 10/8/2021 at 8:42 AM, Geoff said:

Probably because with the abundance of fish you can't miss. Geoff.

Been struggling the last few trips to find much to throw my stick at, or should I say struggling to find the edible variety.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Morning all

Need to make up some boat rigs as have only got shore rigs made up - like some of you just use pulley penal and two hook slappers 

Is this  a good version to make up? With two hooks or one, and they are using mono not amnesia 

Feels like fishing 101 again but use flat weights not grippers?
 

 

[Andy135]

9 minutes ago, Captain Sensible said:

Morning all

Need to make up some boat rigs as have only got shore rigs made up - like some of you just use pulley penal and two hook slappers 

Is this  a good version to make up? With two hooks or one, and they are using mono not amnesia 

Feels like fishing 101 again but use flat weights not grippers?

I use a simple running ledger for all of my downtiding at anchor. Hook sizes and trace material will vary depending on the species being targeted.

What species and style of fishing are you planning on? A plaice rig is different from a bream rig is different from a conger rig, for example.

[Captain Sensible]

Just now, Andy135 said:

I use a simple running ledger for all of my downtiding at anchor. Hook sizes and trace material will vary depending on the species being targeted.

What species and style of fishing are you planning on? A plaice rig is different from a bream rig is different from a conger rig, for example.

Oh balls. 
 

Well like shore fishing I was hoping for just a simple rig or two like the nice captain of the charter boats gives us numpties when we use his gear. 
 

I suppose around my way and distance offshore - to begin with - I’ll be mostly looking at skate, with the usual by-catch of whiting /doggies. Cod/codling are a long forgotten memory. 

[Andy135]

3 minutes ago, Captain Sensible said:

Oh balls. 
 

Well like shore fishing I was hoping for just a simple rig or two like the nice captain of the charter boats gives us numpties when we use his gear. 
 

I suppose around my way and distance offshore - to begin with - I’ll be mostly looking at skate, with the usual by-catch of whiting /doggies. Cod/codling are a long forgotten memory. 

Are you talking about common skate like they get up in Scotland or "skate" as shorthand for any of the ray species? I've never targeted common skate so I can't offer any advice on skate rigs specifically.

However, a bottom fishing rig for general species including any of the rays would be a running ledger with appropriately sized weight depending on tide strength. Trace would be, let's say, 80lb mono and a size 6/0 Aberdeen style hook. This set up catches me conger, whiting, pout, dogfish, smoothound, rays etc. Species may vary in your neck of the woods.

[mike farrants]

90% of the time i use a simple running ledger with the weight suited to the tide and a pretty standard hook size (2" - dont ask me actual size)- i fish in 40-80 ft water, sometimes 100ft - sometimes big tides - its usually only the weight i change during the day.

my go to rig is a running ledger with around 5ft 100lb hook trace to a large hook - i find most fish aren't bothered by heavy line, but conger tope and rays can bite through smaller line so i go 50-100lb - the 40lb tope in my pic was caught on this method. - this sounds spot on for what your after - rays, dogs, etc.

drifting for turbot its a sliding tube boom, watch lead, then the same set up - but longer flowingtrace

for bream its a much lighter rig - a 2 hook flapper with beads. 

havent done much plaice fishing but it would be a running ledger, but smaller hooks and loads of beads and sequins. 

the trick with boat fishing is to nail your bait near the bottom - if your weight rises up in the tide your bait will be above the fish. regarding weights i mostly use pears & bobpedos 8-12oz sometimes bigger, sometimes 10oz cannon balls for finding gulleys and for drifting 8oz watch leads - but havent noticed much difference in shape really.

[mike farrants]

i wouldn't use a 2 down hook length as in your pic as its likely to tangle on the way down - and certainly will in the tide -  the hook lengths would need to be separated somehow - i know people use a wishbone rig for plaice drifting separated by a 1ft bar - but thats too much faff for me!

 

if i want 2 hooks on the bottom i use 2 rods!

[Captain Sensible]

6 minutes ago, mike farrants said:

90% of the time i use a simple running ledger with the weight suited to the tide and a pretty standard hook size (2" - dont ask me actual size)- i fish in 40-80 ft water, sometimes 100ft - sometimes big tides - its usually only the weight i change during the day.

my go to rig is a running ledger with around 5ft 100lb hook trace to a large hook - i find most fish aren't bothered by heavy line, but conger tope and rays can bite through smaller line so i go 50-100lb - the 40lb tope in my pic was caught on this method. - this sounds spot on for what your after - rays, dogs, etc.

drifting for turbot its a sliding tube boom, watch lead, then the same set up - but longer flowingtrace

for bream its a much lighter rig - a 2 hook flapper with beads. 

havent done much plaice fishing but it would be a running ledger, but smaller hooks and loads of beads and sequins. 

the trick with boat fishing is to nail your bait near the bottom - if your weight rises up in the tide your bait will be above the fish. regarding weights i mostly use pears & bobpedos 8-12oz sometimes bigger, sometimes 10oz cannon balls for finding gulleys and for drifting 8oz watch leads - but havent noticed much difference in shape really.

This is great - very useful thank you! Now where did I put my cannon pears ? 🤔 Turbot - dream fish yet to catch 

Skate - I am not referring to the loch monsters but east coast blondes commons thornies