Malc Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 On a slight tangent, I sometimes carry a BILGE PUMP on my kayak and they are cheap, pretty high output, and can be fitted with a hose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Malc said: On a slight tangent, I sometimes carry a BILGE PUMP on my kayak and they are cheap, pretty high output, and can be fitted with a hose. These sort of things are ok for clearing water from a rogue wave or a one off but trying to pump against a hole in the boat is futile. I had a hand operated whale gushed on my old Colvic and it was slower than the boat itself. I think the bungs and mallet sounds like a good idea. JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 hours ago, JonC said: These sort of things are ok for clearing water from a rogue wave or a one off but trying to pump against a hole in the boat is futile. I had a hand operated whale gushed on my old Colvic and it was slower than the boat itself. I think the bungs and mallet sounds like a good idea. Got to agree, I have used manual pumps and a bloody bucket is quicker ! My RIB hull is sealed to the outside world, so there is no hull drain plug on the outside of the hull. At the stern I have a sump and the main hull drain plug, drains into the sump, which is fitted with a Johnson 800GPH auto bilge pump. However, my main deck drainage is twin 4 inch elephant trunks, which have a flow capacity of 6000 L/min (1300 GPM, or to compare with a bilge pump the trunks are giving a minimum flow rate of 78,000 GPH !, but of course you need to be moving forward at any speed above 3kts for them to work. However, I have tried them and with 4 inches of water on the deck, the trunks emptied the boat in seconds, by moving at a speed. Under normal circumstances they would be used on the plane, after poor wave management and taking a 'stuffing' (I may or may not have done that). I even carry a 4 inch cork bung, just in case one of the hypalon trunks ever springs a leak. Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 9 hours ago, JonC said: I think the bungs and mallet sounds like a good idea. I have 1st hand experience of holes in hulls and I wasn't meaning to have the hand pump as a stand alone pump but as a failsafe method in case your pump fails and I know how good hammers and bungs are at slowing water ingress. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 This looks ideal, I think I will order something like this. https://seamarknunn.com/acatalog/forespar-truplug-567.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjLW70amS_wIVktPtCh1tUAqHEAQYBSABEgKdqfD_BwE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 The guy I bought my boat off had owned a boat that sank…. He said was terrifying…. I’ve got 6 electric bilge pumps so my capacity is x3 coding regulations, bilge alarms and 3 manual pumps. What is perhaps scary his boat nearly sank and was fitted with standard flow rate for a cat 2 coded boat… so hence the upgrade on the next boat. Malc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted May 26, 2023 Author Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Malc said: I have 1st hand experience of holes in hulls and I wasn't meaning to have the hand pump as a stand alone pump but as a failsafe method in case your pump fails and I know how good hammers and bungs are at slowing water ingress. What and where was that? Guessing a naval vessel? Tell us the story behind the photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 59 minutes ago, Odyssey said: bilge alarms That is the important part. You need to know when the hull has been compromised, it is way too late when the water gets to deck level before you realise what is going on. Luke, do you test the alarm's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Andy135 said: What and where was that? Guessing a naval vessel? Tell us the story behind the photo. Easier to give a LINK That was the secondary damage repair, primary was mattresses and wood and finally we welded plates over the holes. I was in the adjacent (and aft) compartment as the bulkhead split using softwood wedges and lump hammers to stem the flow. The guy 2nd from right front row was mentioned in dispatches as he and another guy (also mid) were using their bodies to block the flow initially. thejollysinker, suzook12 and Andy135 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted May 26, 2023 Author Share Posted May 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Malc said: Easier to give a LINK Wow! That's impressive stuff in the context of the Falklands then. Kudos to you and the rest of the crew patching the hole. 👍👍 Malc and Geoff 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 5/26/2023 at 10:05 AM, GPSguru said: That is the important part. You need to know when the hull has been compromised, it is way too late when the water gets to deck level before you realise what is going on. Luke, do you test the alarm's ? Yes, every month they get tested and signed off as part of maintenance schedule. It’s part of coding requirement but I did it anyway. The alarms are typically fail safe (go off even if no water present). Alarms are all fitted next to seacocks in case one fails. Seacocks are exercised every month as well as part of maintenance schedule, usually more often, but give the check over too. Bilge pumps are all on electronic solid state switches that are easy to test as well and get tested regularly. I’ve had alarms go off at sea, hit a wave, bilge filled, pump cleared it quickly, but if it hadn’t it’d been a different scenario…. I’d of soon lost stability ti take the next one and one after etc…. When pump needed replacement i replaced it with an even higher output tgst was previously there as a just in case….. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-65904041 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, GPSguru said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-65904041 Terrible thing to happen, I guess his jacket inflated preventing him from swimming clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, JonC said: Terrible thing to happen, I guess his jacket inflated preventing him from swimming clear. Or the door slammed shut and couldn't open it against the water pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, GPSguru said: Or the door slammed shut and couldn't open it against the water pressure. Either way it’s a terrible thing. Geoff, GPSguru and Saintly Fish 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Terrible thing to happen but a wonderful man for not flapping and doing the right thing. Geoff, Saintly Fish, thejollysinker and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, Malc said: Terrible thing to happen but a wonderful man for not flapping and doing the right thing. Amen to that, he followed the drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Shocking, very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERC87 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 On 5/20/2023 at 7:11 PM, GPSguru said: Apparently, he went back into the cabin to get his life jacket as the boat was sinking. How many times do we hear this, I hope it is a lesson to you guys that you should be wearing a LJ at all times, and if the boat is sinking get the feck off of it. It is now been passed to D&C Police and the MAIB. This is speculation and there is no evidence as to why Peter (my father, who we miss every minute of the day) went back into the cabin. The initial RNLI statement was incorrect and swiftly removed. From a grieving family, please do not make comments if you do not know them to be correct. It only adds to the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, ERC87 said: This is speculation and there is no evidence as to why Peter (my father, who we miss every minute of the day) went back into the cabin. The initial RNLI statement was incorrect and swiftly removed. From a grieving family, please do not make comments if you do not know them to be correct. It only adds to the pain. We are all very sorry for your loss, and I am 100% certain that @GPSguru would never mean to cause you and your family pain. He would most probably have taken his info from an official statement (whether that was incorrect, he would not have known). Please accept our apologies for any offence caused! 🙏🏻 Andy135 and jonnyswamp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, ERC87 said: This is speculation and there is no evidence as to why Peter (my father, who we miss every minute of the day) went back into the cabin. The initial RNLI statement was incorrect and swiftly removed. From a grieving family, please do not make comments if you do not know them to be correct. It only adds to the pain. Further to Neil’s ( @Saintly Fish) comments above I would add that Ian ( @GPSguru) was particularly saddened by this tragedy and any comments he made would be with the best intention and respect to all involved. Sorry for your loss, it was a very sad thing for everybody involved in boat angling to hear about. Saintly Fish and Andy135 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, ERC87 said: This is speculation and there is no evidence as to why Peter (my father, who we miss every minute of the day) went back into the cabin. The initial RNLI statement was incorrect and swiftly removed. From a grieving family, please do not make comments if you do not know them to be correct. It only adds to the pain. Yes, that info came from the RNLI statement, which at the time I had my suspicions about its accuracy, and I should have removed it as we know that is not the case. Please accept my apologies. I would regard Peter (your father) as a close friend (of about 5 years), and we would chat on the phone maybe once or twice a week, and often meet up together on the wrecks. We also had a planned coffee meeting at the Clipper, but unfortunately that never happened, also we had planned a trip to the Skerries. I am trying hard to get the brain to work here, but if you are his son that used to crew with him from time to time (Tom ?), then we have met a couple of times when out fishing, but maybe you are his other son that lives in London (Stoke Newington ?) Believe me, I feel your pain, and for me, it is a very sad loss that I often think deeply about. Edited August 25, 2023 by GPSguru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I've lost a few friends in boating incidents, mostly crossing our local bar and two have been this year from seperate boats capsizing in big seas. It's compulsory to wear life jackets crossing any bar in our state and in almost every case those killed were wearing them. If it is a bilge pump issue or lack of maintenance it would be good to bring it to light to hopefully highlight the issue to others who may be lacking in such areas. Here, again bilge pumps are compulsory, even my 15ft boat has two 12v pumps wired to two seperate batteries and seperate switches for both auto and manual override. To die at sea when the ocean is what you live for is the way I hope to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 4 hours ago, JDP said: If it is a bilge pump issue or lack of maintenance Certainly not in this case. Peter was meticulous about maintenance and the boat had been lifted and serviced only 2 months before the incident. JDP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 it is sad news.Sorry for your loss. Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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