Slow jigging

[Andy135]

3 minutes ago, OrkneyCorkney said:

Have bought the boat a present - not for myself you understand, justified on safety grounds (Fixed VHF).  Any more stuff is defo going to have to wait.  🤣

Well, if ever there was a worthwhile present for the boat, a VHF is it. Or any safety gear in fact. Good choice 👍

[OrkneyCorkney]

Upgrade to DSC, keeping old handheld as back up 👍

[jonnyswamp]

9 hours ago, OrkneyCorkney said:

Mmmm, have read through seven pages of the thread and the ‘article’.  I’m telling myself I don’t need another fishing style.  This lockdown has already cost me a trolling set up for freshwater, drop shot kit and one or two other items I’ve never had in the past.  Really time to master the fishing kit I have got before embarking on yet more spending.   Good interesting thread mind 🤔

I thought exactly the same thing, bloody stupid, waste of money

Then I bought a jigging rod and some jigs and some assist hooks and ordered more jigs

Will be using them April hopefully

[jonnyswamp]

9 hours ago, OrkneyCorkney said:

Mmmm, have read through seven pages of the thread and the ‘article’.  I’m telling myself I don’t need another fishing style.  This lockdown has already cost me a trolling set up for freshwater, drop shot kit and one or two other items I’ve never had in the past.  Really time to master the fishing kit I have got before embarking on yet more spending.   Good interesting thread mind 🤔

I thought exactly the same thing, bloody stupid, waste of money

Then I bought a jigging rod and some jigs and some assist hooks and ordered more jigs

Will be using them April hopefully

[jonnyswamp]

9 hours ago, OrkneyCorkney said:

Mmmm, have read through seven pages of the thread and the ‘article’.  I’m telling myself I don’t need another fishing style.  This lockdown has already cost me a trolling set up for freshwater, drop shot kit and one or two other items I’ve never had in the past.  Really time to master the fishing kit I have got before embarking on yet more spending.   Good interesting thread mind 🤔

I thought exactly the same thing, bloody stupid, waste of money

Then I bought a jigging rod and some jigs and some assist hooks and ordered more jigs

Will be using them April hopefully

[jonnyswamp]

9 hours ago, OrkneyCorkney said:

Mmmm, have read through seven pages of the thread and the ‘article’.  I’m telling myself I don’t need another fishing style.  This lockdown has already cost me a trolling set up for freshwater, drop shot kit and one or two other items I’ve never had in the past.  Really time to master the fishing kit I have got before embarking on yet more spending.   Good interesting thread mind 🤔

I thought exactly the same thing, bloody stupid, waste of money

Then I bought a jigging rod and some jigs and some assist hooks and ordered more jigs

Will be using them April hopefully

[jonnyswamp]

I didn't buy 4 sets of kit

[Saintly Fish]

2 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said:

I didn't buy 4 sets of kit

You going for poster of the month ?

[Andy135]

17 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said:

I didn't buy 4 sets of kit

🤣🤣 wtf happened there? Did you have the DT's when posting? Get back into the garage if so! 🤣

[GPSguru]

58 minutes ago, jonnyswamp said:

I thought exactly the same thing, bloody stupid, waste of money

Then I bought a jigging rod and some jigs and some assist hooks and ordered more jigs

Will be using them April hopefully

 

On wrecks and reefs it is very, very addictive ............ I am not going to reply 4 times though🤣

[Geoff]

2 hours ago, jonnyswamp said:

I didn't buy 4 sets of kit

Good - I thought I was seeing double double. Geoff.

[Geoff]

2 hours ago, Saintly Fish said:

You going for poster of the month ?

No way  Neil, you are totally secure in "YOUR" postition - oh, sorry I misread that (missed seeing the T in poster). I had to explain that due to my earlier comment - some people can never learn. Geoff.☺️

[OrkneyCorkney]

8 hours ago, jonnyswamp said:

I thought exactly the same thing, bloody stupid, waste of money

Then I bought a jigging rod and some jigs and some assist hooks and ordered more jigs

Will be using them April hopefully

And there was me thinking how popular I was when I saw on my notifications I’d been quoted four times.  Bit of a let down to know that was down to DT’s. 🤣 🤣 🤗

[Terry Smith]

Sorry guys, I somehow missed these earlier threads??? (excuse the Pun)

Using a line that has memory like Mono or Flouro as an Assist Cord is fraught with problems as over time they will twist and kink causing the hooks to tangle. Even Amnesia kinks when worked like this.

The Best assists should have Very Low diameter cord to allow the hooks to flail around freely.

Some I've seen with thick kevlar that's better suited targeting 100kg Dogtooth Tuna. Just too heavy and too stiff especially if doubled up by splicing.

Match this cord with quality lightweight hooks that are designed for SPJ, not standard J-hooks.

The hooks I talk of are very thin, light and  extremely efficient. Made from specialist materials such as Tuff Wire which is very strong even at low diameters.

Slow jigs are designed to represent dying or injured baitfish when allowed to flutter in freefall but this action can also hampered when trailing such heavy assists.

I'm not saying you wont catch on them but I am saying that you are not optimising your chances unless the lighter assists are used.

Hope this makes some sense.

Example of a quality Assist below, not tuff wire but an extremely strong lightweight material that also adds some flash in the water.

 

[JDP]

15 hours ago, Terry Smith said:

Sorry guys, I somehow missed these earlier threads??? (excuse the Pun)

Using a line that has memory like Mono or Flouro as an Assist Cord is fraught with problems as over time they will twist and kink causing the hooks to tangle. Even Amnesia kinks when worked like this.

The Best assists should have Very Low diameter cord to allow the hooks to flail around freely.

Some I've seen with thick kevlar that's better suited targeting 100kg Dogtooth Tuna. Just too heavy and too stiff especially if doubled up by splicing.

Match this cord with quality lightweight hooks that are designed for SPJ, not standard J-hooks.

The hooks I talk of are very thin, light and  extremely efficient. Made from specialist materials such as Tuff Wire which is very strong even at low diameters.

Slow jigs are designed to represent dying or injured baitfish when allowed to flutter in freefall but this action can also hampered when trailing such heavy assists.

I'm not saying you wont catch on them but I am saying that you are not optimising your chances unless the lighter assists are used.

Hope this makes some sense.

Example of a quality Assist below, not tuff wire but an extremely strong lightweight material that also adds some flash in the water.

 

 

 

Trying to work out if you are from the UK or overseas with references to 100kg dogtooth yet showing light assist hooks suited more for UK species and smaller tropical game. Don't get me wrong I use light rigs just like that but only on fish of less than 10kg, certainly not 100kg dogtooth, yellowtail kingfish etc.

both of these like those you've posted are good for slow jigging on small less demanding species, most likely all come from the same factory. These are low cost great value compared to the heavier rigs for bigger species.

 

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[JDP]

Just to add, those little packs of cord are a ripoff in my opinion. I buy 3mm dyneema with breaking strain of 1.1ton for a fraction of the price from rope stores. Yes 1.1ton is overkill but I use this on all kinds of rigging around the boat also.https://ropegalore.com.au/3mm-4mm-dyneema-ropes-r/

[Terry Smith]

I'm from the UK as the owner of Jigabite Fishing Jigs and I should have mentioned that my comments were aimed purely at UK angling.

My reference to 100kg Dogtooth is based on the oversized compatibility of some of the assists that are sold pre-rigged on some jigs in the UK.

My point is that many Jigs in the UK are sold with totally inadequate assists that are far too heavy and often rigged with basic bait hooks.

With regard to the Assist cord, The Yamai/Suteki at 80lb (more than is required for UK fishing) has a smaller diameter than the 3mm dyneema you mention and I sell at £12.99 per 10 metres (approx AU$D2.50 per metre). This is actually cheaper pricewise with your suggestion (AU$D2.60per metre), also more abrasion resistant and has a flouro core to add stability.

Its a no brainer in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

[suzook12]

@JDPSo if Dyneema is fine to use in 3mm in Aus where the target species seem a wee bit bigger, then 1mm dyneema should be fine for the UK market?

@Terry Smith From what I've read regards SJF, do the assist cords really need to be abrasion resistant. and how does having a flouro core differ from using flouro which in your words, will cause problems?

I would like to see this method in action, but owing to the mud soup we have can't see it being anytime soon......

 

[Andy135]

8 minutes ago, JonC said:

I couldn’t give a fuck because I don’t use them. 

Nice to see you're on form today Jon! 🤣

[JDP]

1 hour ago, suzook12 said:

@JDPSo if Dyneema is fine to use in 3mm in Aus where the target species seem a wee bit bigger, then 1mm dyneema should be fine for the UK market?

@Terry Smith From what I've read regards SJF, do the assist cords really need to be abrasion resistant. and how does having a flouro core differ from using flouro which in your words, will cause problems?

I would like to see this method in action, but owing to the mud soup we have can't see it being anytime soon......

 

The reason I use the 3mm is more because its handy for all sorts of things that need high strength, even strong enough to pull my boat back on the trailer if the winch strap breaks. The dyneema loops I use on sharking rigs are from this stuff, where hooks will break or straighten long before the dyneema will break which is better than leaving sharks with gear in them. In saying that I can normally remove hooks from sharks without to much trouble. 

I often use this assist cord on kingfish jigs, its under $10 (5 quid) and hasn't let me down. We tend to lift our fish in from the jig, so the hook and cord has to handle the weight of the fish.

[JDP]

3 hours ago, Terry Smith said:

I'm from the UK as the owner of Jigabite Fishing Jigs and I should have mentioned that my comments were aimed purely at UK angling.

My reference to 100kg Dogtooth is based on the oversized compatibility of some of the assists that are sold pre-rigged on some jigs in the UK.

My point is that many Jigs in the UK are sold with totally inadequate assists that are far too heavy and often rigged with basic bait hooks.

With regard to the Assist cord, The Yamai/Suteki at 80lb (more than is required for UK fishing) has a smaller diameter than the 3mm dyneema you mention and I sell at £12.99 per 10 metres (approx AU$D2.50 per metre). This is actually cheaper pricewise with your suggestion (AU$D2.60per metre), also more abrasion resistant and has a flouro core to add stability.

Its a no brainer in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

Apologies on that, I had gone through the comments a bit to quick and thought you were referring to those light rigs being able to handle big dogtooth, totally agree about them being stiff and heavy which through me off track as that's a different style of jigging altogether, even though they will smack slow fluttering jigs. 

 

[JDP]

1 hour ago, JonC said:

I couldn’t give a fuck because I don’t use them. 

One day you might if you drift out of the channel.

[Andy135]

49 minutes ago, JonC said:

Yeah you’re right, I’m sorry. Do you think the 3mm is enough, @Andy135has suggested in the past that 4mm might be the way forward, or is he just being a bit over cautious? 

Oi. Don't you drag me into this thank you very much 🤣

[Terry Smith]

8 hours ago, suzook12 said:

@JDPSo if Dyneema is fine to use in 3mm in Aus where the target species seem a wee bit bigger, then 1mm dyneema should be fine for the UK market?

@Terry Smith From what I've read regards SJF, do the assist cords really need to be abrasion resistant. and how does having a flouro core differ from using flouro which in your words, will cause problems?

I would like to see this method in action, but owing to the mud soup we have can't see it being anytime soon......

 

I dont see why a 1mm  Dynema wouldn't be more than enough for most UK species but why use it when there are tougher low diameter cords available?

The abrasion resistance refers to assists used over time and small teeth (even whiting) or catching on structure wear down the outer layer.

I have some of my home made assists still useable after 3 years plus.

The Yamai Assists Cord has a flouro CORE to slightly stiffen the assist without overly impairing the action or adding substantial weight.

This can reduce jig wrapping especially on longer assists and wont kink as easily as using flouro on its own.

Dont get mixed up between using Flouro on its own or flouro-cored Assist line, easily confused.

Fish are attracted something like 85% by the fluttering jig action when in fall which transmits vibrations received via the lateral line so many fish are caught in muddy water using the SPJ method.

Why not try it?

[JDP]

More in regards to the fall and the lures themselves, don't think that paying more equals better fish catching jigs. Also experiment with altering the fall action by moving the hooks or adding bling to the hooks, most are sold with the hooks at the top of the jig. Both of these lures are readily available under $5 and work better in my opinion than lures 4x the price. 

Wth the silver jig you can clearly see the bottom of the jig is the heavy end yet the lures are sold with the hooks at the top. By simply putting the hooks at the bottom, the fall and action has totally changed and this is now one of my most productive lures even on species I had never caught on lures or bait ever before. 

Where the golden one is better balanced to flutter, adding an extra set of hooks slowed down the fall making this another 25g jig that rarely reaches bottom before something takes it.

In contrast both of these as well as many others I have changed have now become deadly on smaller species and I have to do far less rod action to catch fish with them where if I don't get a hit first drop its probably not worth fishing that spot.