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Geoff Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Odyssey said: My point has already been proven.... As soon as news is announced, someone has driven from Exeter to Minehead to go fishing.... How that is local is beyond me.... I totally agree Luke. That is why we should all have to obey the rules (law) and some of these well meaning concessions will just lead to people abusing them. Stay at home is the best and correct advice IMHO. Whatever happens there will always be some anomalies, and will lead to some stating they can work together, but not meet out of working hours etc., but it is impossible to legislate for every single situation. Personally I think the govt. has been very helpful to many people (as pensioners we do not qualify for any help and do not expect it), but we still hear people better off than ourselves saying they do not get enough. Lets get the virus beat, buy British and get a bit more "Great" back in Brittain. Geoff. age pensioners jonnyswamp, Odyssey, suzook12 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Geoff said: I totally agree Luke. That is why we should all have to obey the rules (law) and some of these well meaning concessions will just lead to people abusing them. Stay at home is the best and correct advice IMHO. Whatever happens there will always be some anomalies, and will lead to some stating they can work together, but not meet out of working hours etc., but it is impossible to legislate for every single situation. Personally I think the govt. has been very helpful to many people (as pensioners we do not qualify for any help and do not expect it), but we still hear people better off than ourselves saying they do not get enough. Lets get the virus beat, buy British and get a bit more "Great" back in Brittain. Geoff. age pensioners Geoff for president!!! 👍 Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, suzook12 said: Geoff for president!!! 👍 2nd that Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captin slows old outlaw Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 the truble is if it is realy redused (covid) we will just get a new strain from some where eals all those holerday makres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Fortunately for us it's a crap time of year for fishing coming up, the weather is also to cold for me +my boat comes out of the water on the 26th for the annual workathon, that will put paid to my thoughts of sneaking out making the pain not so bad . On that basis I shall be doing the right thing, l'll shall stay at home, keep warm and dream of better times Edited January 8, 2021 by Maverick Geoff and Andy135 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, Maverick said: Fortunately for us it's a crap time of year for fishing coming up, the weather is also to cold for me +my boat comes out of the water on the 26th for the annual workathon, that will put paid to my thoughts of sneaking out making the pain not so bad . On that basis I shall be doing the right thing, l'll shall stay at home, keep warm and dream of better times Do you get your hands dirty yourself or get it done professionally? A lot to do there I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 So it seems that driving even 5 miles for exercise is not permitted... in Derbyshire at least. Two women go for a walk round a reservoir after separately driving 5 miles from their homes, and each get handed £200 fines. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814 Local danglers beware? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, Andy135 said: So it seems that driving even 5 miles for exercise is not permitted... in Derbyshire at least. Two women go for a walk round a reservoir after separately driving 5 miles from their homes, and each get handed £200 fines. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814 Local danglers beware? Good, it categorically states in your village/town/suburb ...... I am lucky that we have several fishing lakes within the village and a river and footpaths to access much of the river, I also understand I can't go sea fishing, I could maybe fish the local estuary if I combined it with a shopping trip but that would be taking the piss a bit I feel. An hour or two in the afternoon with a lure rod for pike will be just fine, tho, currently, got work to do up the workshop...... Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Andy135 said: So it seems that driving even 5 miles for exercise is not permitted... in Derbyshire at least. Two women go for a walk round a reservoir after separately driving 5 miles from their homes, and each get handed £200 fines. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814 Local danglers beware? Hmm ............ the issue of travel and distance is not defined in the lockdown law that was passed by parliament this week, so I think there might be a re-think by Police forces on how they handle this, This makes good reading ........... Guidance issued by the Cabinet Office states that people can leave their homes for exercise but should not travel outside their "local area". However, the actual legislation does not specify a maximum distance that people are allowed to travel for exercise. Both the guidance and legislation state people can exercise with one other person, as Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore did. Human rights barrister Adam Wagner said: "There is no law against travelling to exercise. The guidance is not legally binding and the police have no power to enforce it unless it is reflected in the lockdown regulations which in this case it is not." Derbyshire Police said: "It is up to each individual officer on a case-by-case basis to decide what is reasonable as the legislation does not proscribe a distance." The BBC contacted the Cabinet Office, Home Office, College of Policing and National Police Chiefs' Council to ask for clarification over what they define as "local area" in relation to exercise. None could clarify this. However, the College of Policing said: "In overall terms police officers across England and Wales will be using their discretion and professional judgement about whether or not someone has a reasonable excuse for travelling for exercise and being outside the place where they are living." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, GPSguru said: There might be a re-think by Police forces on how they handle this, Whilst I'm inclined to consider the Derbyshire police response as an attempt to make a strong and visible point (which may or may not be successfully challenged), I also think it's probably no bad thing that police forces come out strongly on this. It certainly gets the message across loud and clear, and let's face it, it will probably take dare I say "heavy-handed" police responses such as this to force the public to think twice about whether driving out of your village/town is really acting in the spirit of the lockdown, irrespective of whether the legislation is ambiguous or undefined. I'm starting to ask myself whether the AT has perhaps done more harm than good with their lobbying. It has given us an opportunity to give angling a bad name, such as in @Odyssey's recent example of someone driving from Exeter to Minehead. It'll only take a couple of high-profile instances of anglers being caught way out of their local area for public sentiment to turn against us and then the government will have to act to ban fishing again... and potentially take a more strict view of angling in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Whilst I'm inclined to consider the Derbyshire police response as an attempt to make a strong and visible point (which may or may not be successfully challenged), I also think it's probably no bad thing that police forces come out strongly on this. It certainly gets the message across loud and clear, and let's face it, it will probably take dare I say "heavy-handed" police responses such as this to force the public to think twice about whether driving out of your village/town is really acting in the spirit of the lockdown, irrespective of whether the legislation is ambiguous or undefined. I'm starting to ask myself whether the AT has perhaps done more harm than good with their lobbying. It has given us an opportunity to give angling a bad name, such as in @Odyssey's recent example of someone driving from Exeter to Minehead. It'll only take a couple of high-profile instances of anglers being caught way out of their local area for public sentiment to turn against us and then the government will have to act to ban fishing again... and potentially take a more strict view of angling in future. I guess there are 2 sides to every coin. The Police are there to uphold the law, and if 'local' and 'distance' have not been defined and placed in law on the statute books, then the Police force is enforcing law by interpretation, which is wholly unacceptable and open to challenge. This very same thing happened in the mid to late 80's with regard to the HMRC customs and the Uk being within the EU and customs union. The HMRC officers were 'interpreting' quantities of tobacco, wine, and sprits for 'personal use' and then seizing cars etc at the point of entry. One court case later, and the HMRC were forced to pay millions of pounds in compensation as they had overstepped the mark and were acting beyond their authority. Policing by 'interpretation' and not 'statute law' is a slippery slope and one that the National Police Chiefs' Council and the Home Office will probably sidestep away from. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 44 minutes ago, Andy135 said: Whilst I'm inclined to consider the Derbyshire police response as an attempt to make a strong and visible point (which may or may not be successfully challenged), I also think it's probably no bad thing that police forces come out strongly on this. It certainly gets the message across loud and clear, and let's face it, it will probably take dare I say "heavy-handed" police responses such as this to force the public to think twice about whether driving out of your village/town is really acting in the spirit of the lockdown, irrespective of whether the legislation is ambiguous or undefined. I'm starting to ask myself whether the AT has perhaps done more harm than good with their lobbying. It has given us an opportunity to give angling a bad name, such as in @Odyssey's recent example of someone driving from Exeter to Minehead. It'll only take a couple of high-profile instances of anglers being caught way out of their local area for public sentiment to turn against us and then the government will have to act to ban fishing again... and potentially take a more strict view of angling in future. That’s my point.... If 2 ladies are given a £200 fine and get on BBC news over taking a coffee for a walk 5 miles away, what’s going to happen when a beach/pier is full of fishermen out for a days fishing? It’s the long term image as well as people wanting to be out and about that needs a careful balance. Fishing is allowed in Wales, provided you walk/cycle to get there. It’s also in legislation. “Professional Judgement” is not law and it’s only a matter of time before someone challenges this. Once they do and there is a legal definition, you may find certain freedoms curtailed at that point. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPSguru Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Odyssey said: “Professional Judgement” is not law and it’s only a matter of time before someone challenges this. Once they do and there is a legal definition, you may find certain freedoms curtailed at that point. Unfortunately, in the Uk the process of law is quite slow, by the time this was taken through a court of law and then went through all the appeal processes, Lockdown 3 and probably COVID will be well into the history books ! I will be travelling 5 miles to launch my boat, but I also have good reason for being there as part of a support bubble ............ I hope common sense prevails from both the Police and public perspectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Maybe should have a contact details section so we can post bail for @Andy135 for when is arrested on his way to his boat for a dogfish catching session. I understand that the call of the dogfish is quite strong for him 😉 Andy135 and captin slows old outlaw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Odyssey said: Maybe should have a contact details section so we can post bail for @Andy135 for when is arrested on his way to his boat for a dogfish catching session. I understand that the call of the dogfish is quite strong for him 😉 He does love a good doging session. Andy135 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Odyssey said: Maybe should have a contact details section so we can post bail for @Andy135 for when is arrested on his way to his boat for a dogfish catching session. I understand that the call of the dogfish is quite strong for him 😉 The call of the dogfish is indeed strong, so I planned ahead and I now have a small pack of them living in our bath. I can now go dogging whenever I like! 🐶🐟🎣 GPSguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintly Fish Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Andy135 said: The call of the dogfish is indeed strong, so I planned ahead and I now have a small pack of them living in our bath. I can now go dogging whenever I like! 🐶🐟🎣 Are you slowly filtering in or out the salt content readying them for the lake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy135 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, Saintly Fish said: Are you slowly filtering in or out the salt content readying them for the lake? The lake is being turned into an inland saline habitat for them, and when it's ready I plan to start breeding and farming them. The world needs more dogfish! Saintly Fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Local is really relevant to where you live, I live in a rural location and nothing is local. The closest school is 6 miles away and the nearest train station is 7 miles away and decent supermarket 12 miles away. If I lived in London 5 miles would be a world away, I could reach every amenity within half a be mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Bloody hell John where on earth do you live. I only want to know so I can avoid the fuel costs involved in getting services lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, JonC said: Local is really relevant to where you live, I live in a rural location and nothing is local. The closest school is 6 miles away and the nearest train station is 7 miles away and decent supermarket 12 miles away. If I lived in London 5 miles would be a world away, I could reach every amenity within half a be mile. You should be so lucky, our nearest station is in 1965!! jonnyswamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 hours ago, JonC said: Do you get your hands dirty yourself or get it done professionally? A lot to do there I guess Depends. Last year I did it all myself but the previous year for the first time ever I had a pro do the outside wash cut and polish and to be fair he did a very ok job. This normally takes me 4 days with a bit of help from my eldest. The pro did everything, wash cut & polished the outside in 2 days. This was the only time I have used a pro but they do know what products to use and how to use them properly. This year I have some very minor gel repairs I would like to have done. My neighbour is a finishing manager at Sunseeker Boats and obviously knows all the trades so he has suggested a guy who can deal with both the gel issues and a proper full on valet so I am awaiting a price form him. If its within my perceived budget or he can convince me he is worth it I'll use him which means I will only be doing the anti fouling anode changes and interior clean up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, suzook12 said: You should be so lucky, our nearest station is in 1965!! Beeching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzook12 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Maverick said: Beeching? No, British Rail..... But blamed Beeching no doubt Maverick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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